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Old 17 Mar 2006, 16:00 (Ref:1551190)   #1
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Formula Libre

The completist in me demands that I try and trace the chassis identities of the libre cars in those few races where Atlantics were combined with libre due to short entries.

This is basically Castle Combe in April 1982 and Donington in October 78

These are the suspects and any help will be greatly appreciated:
1982:

Bob Birrell March 79V-VW FSV
John Foulston McLaren M8D-Chevrolet
Geoff Janes Reynard SF81-Ford ohc FF2000
Malcolm Swetnam Delta T79-Ford ohc FF2000
Tony Hancock Delta T814-MAE F4
Rob Moores Chevron B38-Ford

1978

Dave Orbell Mallock U2 Mk16-Holbay t/c
Dave Allen Royale RP9-VW FSV
Dave Gilbert March 718 and what engine?
Graham Woodhouse Ensign –BDA
Elke Welhausen Brabham BT23 and what engine?
Les Aylott Brabham BT23C
Bob Eccles Lola T100 and what engine?
John Travis Brabham BT35 and what engine?
Steve Coen Reynard SF78-Ford ohc FF2000 [entered by Brensec Race Hire of which Coen was boss I believe]
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Old 18 Mar 2006, 13:21 (Ref:1551790)   #2
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Old 18 Mar 2006, 16:28 (Ref:1551930)   #3
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Old 18 Mar 2006, 16:53 (Ref:1551951)   #4
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I've gone through your list and I'm afraid I don't know any of them. I thought the Foulston M8D was well known but I can't find anything on it. David McK will know that one, I'm sure.

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Old 18 Mar 2006, 16:58 (Ref:1551953)   #5
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That's why I couldn't find it! It's a Trojan-built M8E, not an ex-works M8D

Chuck Haines bought it: http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm/fu...ehicle_id/968/

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Old 20 Mar 2006, 15:40 (Ref:1554981)   #6
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John Foulston did drive an ex-works M8D, M8D/3, from 1986 until his death in1987. the car then was sold to Paul Whight.

From 1982-85 Foulston ran an M8F-bodied car (but entered in the races I attended anyway, as an M8D). I need convincing it would have been this M8E...
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 15:49 (Ref:1554991)   #7
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Now this is becoming confusing. I thought Foulston ran the same car (M8D) and Brindley M8E (without rear body flared into the wings- therefore a customer Trojan car)
This car (Foulstons) would not have carried M8F body work as the dimensions of the later M8Fs were considerably larger. But I stand to be corrected...
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 15:57 (Ref:1554995)   #8
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I only remember Brindlet running an M8E regularly in 1988. Before that, he drove an M1C and an M8C (the one that went to Ted Williams, before gaining a D body in the 1990s)

I agree that Foulston's M8D wouldn't have carried M8F bodywork, hence my comment. I took lots of photos of this car, with and without bodywork, and it looked like a M8F to me. But no chassis ID...
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 16:21 (Ref:1555009)   #9
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Going off topic I know but another mystery is the Richard Eyre cars. He had M8e in the late 80's then in '90 he apppeared in an M8d (blue & white bodywork) This car is now with John Grant. I also assume Eyres M8F is now in the hands of Richard Piper.
Back to Foulston I only thought he had the 2 M8s mentioned earlier. I did not think Brindley gained an M8c
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 16:42 (Ref:1555026)   #10
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Eyre drove a silver and blue M8C wiith D bodwork (M8C-70-06, the ex Toyota test car, and raced in 1972 canAm by Gordon Dewar) which Don Shead used before him.

Brindley drove an M8C (which did actually have the M8E type separete rear wing), later raced by Ted Williams, Geoff Farmer, Jürgen Weiler to name a few. I think this is the one driven by Harry Read in Supersports Cup races
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 16:53 (Ref:1555031)   #11
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Does anyone recognise the car in the advert as being one of Foulston's? It appears to be still in Foulston livery.

If it was a works M8D or a M8F, Chuck wouldn't be calling it a Trojan M8E (80-03). Foulston, on the other hand...

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Old 20 Mar 2006, 17:09 (Ref:1555035)   #12
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This has the potential to become a McLaren M8 series chassis history thread as I've just happened across a note in Autosport (29 Jun 1978 p51) with a picture of Rod Leach's newly-imported McLaren M8D in which Hulme had won the 1970 Can-Am series.

Jeremy - is that the car that Foulston later owned?

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Old 20 Mar 2006, 18:04 (Ref:1555083)   #13
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Allen,

Foulston's M8D/3 was the ex-Gurney/Gethin car. Hulme drove 2 chassis in 1970, /1 & /4.
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 20:19 (Ref:1555190)   #14
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Does anyone recognise the car in the advert as being one of Foulston's? It appears to be still in Foulston livery.

If it was a works M8D or a M8F, Chuck wouldn't be calling it a Trojan M8E (80-03). Foulston, on the other hand...

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BHL Racing ran an M8E in 1989 for Ted Williams among others, I'll dig out my photos and see if it matches this. Dodkins raced this car for Team Istel in 1988
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Old 21 Mar 2006, 13:46 (Ref:1555763)   #15
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To go back to Chris' original question, I don't have much at all I'm afraid, but ... the 82 Combe race. Birrell's March was an ex-Venn or Hollamby car I think, Moores the ex-Daly 77 BP series winner, the 2000s were 2000s (!!), and the F4 Delta I think Hancock had from new.

The 78 Donington race I have the prog for. Very little detail I'm afraid of the cars you need to know about Chris. The Gilbert 718 is described as having a '1600 Ford' engine, the Aylott Brabham a 'BDA 1600', the Eike BT23 a 'Ford 2989cc'. Nothing at all on the Ensign, or the Eccles Lola, other than having 1600 engines, likewise the Travis BT35.
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Old 21 Mar 2006, 16:54 (Ref:1555852)   #16
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The T100 must be the Lester car mustn't it? It had been advertised earlier in 1978 (I'll find the ref for you) and I can't think of another T100 that was even plausible for as late as 1978.

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Old 22 Mar 2006, 17:09 (Ref:1557580)   #17
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Here it is: "Ex F2 Lola T100 Lotus/BRM all steel twin cam, FT200 gearbox, set up for sprints/hillclimbs and circuit". AS 6 Apr 1978 p67 and 20 Apr 1978 p68. Redditch and Bidford-on-Avon numbers.

Is that Lester? Anyone know where he was from?

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Old 22 Mar 2006, 17:58 (Ref:1557621)   #18
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Here it is: "Ex F2 Lola T100 Lotus/BRM all steel twin cam, FT200 gearbox, set up for sprints/hillclimbs and circuit". AS 6 Apr 1978 p67 and 20 Apr 1978 p68. Redditch and Bidford-on-Avon numbers.

Is that Lester? Anyone know where he was from?

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In 1976 Richard Lester was entered at Prescott and gave his place of residence as Yoxall in Staffordshire.
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Old 22 Mar 2006, 18:16 (Ref:1557628)   #19
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Yoxall's near Burton, still in the West Midland but a good way from Redditch and Bidford. A different T100? The twin cam doesn't match with Lester's BDA either.

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Here we are - I knew I'd seen it. Lester advertises the T100 from Yoxall in January (26 Jan 1978 p58) as ex-Redman with an all-steel twin cam and the same FT200 and G45s mentioned in the later Redditch adverts. So my confidence that Bob Eccles's T100 was the Lester car returns.

Does the program give a home town for Eccles?

This is SL/100/4 of course. Robin Darlington had this ex-Bridges car in 1970 but I then lose it until I spotted Lester running it in 1974. I researched these cars donkey's years ago because one of them appeared in a F1 race. The only other T100 that stayed active for any length of time was SL/100/7 (or possibly SL/100/6) but that appears to have stayed in Ireland throughout.

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Old 22 Mar 2006, 19:05 (Ref:1557660)   #21
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The Rob Moores Chevron B38 is the one he's been running for ever. With the logic for which we are rightly renowned, it came up on the Alo Lawler thread! It's the ex-Daly car. Moore's nephew is a 10 Tenths regular so should be able to get the chassis number if you don't have it.

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Allen, the prog gives Bob Eccles home town as Oldbury, which is in the Black Country I think, so not too far from Redditch/Bidford/Burton on T.
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Would you like to start a Lola T100 thread?
I'm trying to get a handle on the one that seems to go to the USA for Max Mizejewski in 1970 FB
And then there's the car of Barry White in British Atlantic.
What was the chassis number?
How did he fit races in between touring commitments?
How did he fit in the car?

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Would you like to start a Lola T100 thread?
I'm trying to get a handle on the one that seems to go to the USA for Max Mizejewski in 1970 FB
And then there's the car of Barry White in British Atlantic.
What was the chassis number?
How did he fit races in between touring commitments?
How did he fit in the car?

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Very good Chris !!!
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Allen, the prog gives Bob Eccles home town as Oldbury, which is in the Black Country I think, so not too far from Redditch/Bidford/Burton on T.
Central Black Country (or to me it is - I lived south Black Country in the 1970s) so about 20 miles or so from Redditch. Oldbury contained many car component companies back then but the sort of wealthy owner of such a company who might dabble in motor racing would have lived further south in relatively rural Worcestershire, such as around Redditch. Pure speculation of course but enough for me to pencil the name Eccles below the name Lester.

Yes Chris, I'll start a T100 thread.

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