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Old 10 Apr 2020, 14:54 (Ref:3969802)   #1
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Is Vettel's career over?
I'm not really a Vettel fan, even though I like him really much, I just always prefered Alonso, Button and last but not least Kimi, but there's lots of hatred and propaganda against him, and I honestly would say that in a Mercedes he'd give Lewis headaches, but it looks like Ferrari and him will have to go seperate ways at the end of the season.
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 14:58 (Ref:3969804)   #2
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I'm not really a Vettel fan, even though I like him really much, I just always prefered Alonso, Button and last but not least Kimi, but there's lots of hatred and propaganda against him, and I honestly would say that in a Mercedes he'd give Lewis headaches, but it looks like Ferrari and him will have to go seperate ways at the end of the season.
Is there any story behind the suggestion they will be parting ways, or is it just a thought for discussion?
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Is there any story behind the suggestion they will be parting ways, or is it just a thought for discussion?
There are many. It should be obvious that Ferrari are crap now. I wonder how Lewis would do in a Ferrari. If anyone can save them, then Charles.
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 16:01 (Ref:3969827)   #4
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Be fair to Vettel, compared to last season he’s making fewer mistakes. Oh hang on a minute....
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 16:12 (Ref:3969830)   #5
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Be fair to Vettel, compared to last season he’s making fewer mistakes. Oh hang on a minute....
I'd love to see Hamilton in a Ferrari, and I'm not the only one.
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 16:45 (Ref:3969846)   #6
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He'd be certifiable if he went to Ferrari. I don't think there's much hatred and certainly not a lot of 'propaganda'. Unfortunately Sebastien has shown himself to be fallible in recent times. But I think we've been here before.
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He'd be certifiable if he went to Ferrari. I don't think there's much hatred and certainly not a lot of 'propaganda'. Unfortunately Sebastien has shown himself to be fallible in recent times. But I think we've been here before.
If I was him, I would move to McLaren. They experienced their best post-2012 season and I think with a Mercedes engine they can close the gap to the three top teams.
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If I was him, I would move to McLaren. They experienced their best post-2012 season and I think with a Mercedes engine they can close the gap to the three top teams.
The question is -'Why move?' Isn't it? What on earth would he stand to gain by moving anywhere?


And the one thing that is 'typical' is that the driver in the best car is not going to want to move anywhere else..... and why should he? To give someone else 'a turn'?
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The question is -'Why move?' Isn't it? What on earth would he stand to gain by moving anywhere?


And the one thing that is 'typical' is that the driver in the best car is not going to want to move anywhere else..... and why should he? To give someone else 'a turn'?
Well, Mercedes won't sign him for obvious reasons... except if Hamilton leaves the team, which won't happen either.
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He'd be certifiable if he went to Ferrari. I don't think there's much hatred and certainly not a lot of 'propaganda'. Unfortunately Sebastien has shown himself to be fallible in recent times. But I think we've been here before.
Vettel reminds me of Damon Hill. When everything is just right, it somehow multiplies his skill level. Vettel suited the V8s, and he had an amazing car. People do like to say "oh it's just the car", but Webber was far from incompetent and couldn't touch him.

He doesn't suit the V6s, and it allowed drivers like Ricciardo to rattle him. Not dissimilar to when F1 went to grooved tyres and thinner cars and Damon was off the boil. Managed the odd good result (usually in the wet, when the grooved tyres weren't a thing), but his driving style wasn't adapatable.

Vettel when things align ups his game to a level others can't match. Vettel when things aren't quite right, he becomes above average and that's about it.
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Ironically, if Leclerc continues to beat him regularly, Vettel may be around for a while, as a solid rear gunner for Ferrari. That's if he can accept that.

Re: Hamilton, with him being close to the cusp of becoming the most successful driver in championships, I would doubt that he would feel proving himself to those who feel he hasn't already would be attractive, all the more so because we look to be losing this year.
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Ironically, if Leclerc continues to beat him regularly, Vettel may be around for a while, as a solid rear gunner for Ferrari. That's if he can accept that.

Re: Hamilton, with him being close to the cusp of becoming the most successful driver in championships, I would doubt that he would feel proving himself to those who feel he hasn't already would be attractive, all the more so because we look to be losing this year.
Typical.
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Typical what? Typically reasonable opinion?
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Especially those with an apparent agenda
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Prolific new posters intrigue me.
There have been some bold claims so far:

All cars except for Mercedes are crap.
Drivers in crap cars should be dropped.
Drivers in good cars should move to crap cars.
The majority of the paddock is Xenophobic.


I'm interested to see where we go with these?
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Don't just pick on Vettel, all the drivers will have their careers affected by this pause of racing and if it goes on long term their will be major changes before racing resumes in what ever form it is in when that happens. I made a prediction maybe a year or more past that it is quite possible Verstappen won't win a WDC title before he retires and this pause is making that prediction look even better at the moment.
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There have been some bold claims so far:

All cars except for Mercedes are crap.
Drivers in crap cars should be dropped.
Drivers in good cars should move to crap cars.
The majority of the paddock is Xenophobic.


I'm interested to see where we go with these?
At least he is not as ...forward... as F1Guy was!
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At least he is not as ...forward... as F1Guy was!
He was class. Seen the highlights once on TV and knew more about F1 than people who’d worked in F1 for years.
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He was class. Seen the highlights once on TV and knew more about F1 than people who’d worked in F1 for years.
He never really forgave Vettel for not signing an autograph, or running over his dog, or something..
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Prolific new posters intrigue me.
I was trying not to comment earlier about this. But I am trying hard not to judge.

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LW97 - are you the same LW97 who also goes by the name 'Pancake Master'?
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LW97 - are you the same LW97 who also goes by the name 'Pancake Master'?
Yes, why?
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Yes, why?
Just wondering, based on some of the critique that has been made of Pancake Master's work.
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Just wondering, based on some of the critique that has been made of Pancake Master's work.
OK, that explains a lot. On YT however my name no longer is 'Pancake Master'.
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