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Old 15 May 2020, 08:59 (Ref:3976329)   #426
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Cyril it seems has had a bit of a go at Danny for him leaving Renault

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Cyril it seems has had a bit of a go at Danny for him leaving Renault

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Well Cyril baby, if you had delivered a 'best of the rest' performance for him (as promised, but who am I to rub it in?), maybe he wouldn't have seen a need to leave? Trust me on this, I'm here to help you, the speed of his signing is a message in itself.

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Old 16 May 2020, 21:25 (Ref:3976669)   #428
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Which driver would Renault try to sign to partner Ocon? Perhaps Bottas or Vettel?
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Old 16 May 2020, 22:42 (Ref:3976678)   #429
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Which driver would Renault try to sign to partner Ocon? Perhaps Bottas or Vettel?
As a french team they might try to sign Gasly(obviously if there's no better option).
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Which driver would Renault try to sign to partner Ocon? Perhaps Bottas or Vettel?

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Old 17 May 2020, 08:32 (Ref:3976703)   #431
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It's nice to get back to discussing what's happening in F1 again. Been so long.

Assuming Ocon stays, it's going to be really interesting who will take the other seat. Could Alonso come back with them? Not impossible. And if Bottas goes there, then who goes to Merc? There are still a lot of unanswered questions that will be addressed as other seats get filled for 2021
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Alonso is the tip.
He has said he already 'knows' what he is doing racing wise in 2021
Of course rumours have been wrong before....
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He has said he already 'knows' what he is doing racing wise in 2021
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He said that right at the end of the Racer article, which was published on May 6, before the Vettel story broke.

In that article it also says: "Alonso says he will announce his 2021 plans soon, but that an F1 return next year is also unlikely because of the delay in the introduction of new cars."

https://racer.com/2020/05/06/alonso-...kely-for-2021/
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Someone told me they think Ferrari have signed Sainz because they know he will not give Leclerc as much trouble as Vettel (instead of seeing it as Leclerc giving Vettel trouble as it was phrased before they started together).

That's a fair consideration and it might be the case. In many ways, a championship-contending team's ideal scenario is to hire two very quick drivers, but where one is consistently that bit better than the other. So, you need a number 2 who is good enough to pick up the pieces, but not good enough to trouble the lead driver's own title campaign. That's a tricky one, because we're talking less than tenths of a second here, I would say. Bottas may be the nearest thing to an example of this of the top teams recently, although I would argue he is too inconsistent and actually has peaks that are higher than Hamilton's on certain days and troughs on too many other days. Albon may also fill this role, as he was mightily good at times last year, but often coming from far back, so we have yet to see if he will trouble Verstappen. There may also be too much of a gulf between them to serve this purpose.

Framing this argument in the context of Sebastian Vettel at Mercedes, for Mercedes, I am not sure they have much to gain in this respect. They would only do so if:
- he is better than Bottas, but not as good as Hamilton.
- he is consistently better than Hamilton.

I can somehow imagine it being more of a case of being generally slower, sometimes quicker, sometimes wheel to wheel and with cats among pigeons (and toys out of prams?). It would be box office gold, though, and Mercedes might like it from that angle. It would be Hamilton's chance to prove he is better than Vettel, and for Vettel, who few believe to be better than Hamilton, he doesn't have much to lose out on and plenty to gain (but it would be incredibly tough).
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Framing this argument in the context of Sebastian Vettel at Mercedes, for Mercedes, I am not sure they have much to gain in this respect. They would only do so if:
- he is better than Bottas, but not as good as Hamilton.
- he is consistently better than Hamilton.

I can somehow imagine it being more of a case of being generally slower, sometimes quicker, sometimes wheel to wheel and with cats among pigeons (and toys out of prams?). It would be box office gold, though, and Mercedes might like it from that angle. It would be Hamilton's chance to prove he is better than Vettel, and for Vettel, who few believe to be better than Hamilton, he doesn't have much to lose out on and plenty to gain (but it would be incredibly tough).
That's just about the craziest idea I've read in ages. But you know what, it make infinitely more sense than the (now put away for another few months or so) suggestions that Hamilton should/would/could/might move to Ferrari.

If SV ever gets into a team with Hamilton, I'm buying shares in a popcorn company.
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Do you mean the idea of Vettel to Mercedes is crazy, Greem? My primary point is to ask what Mercedes have to gain. More car sales in Germany with a German driver (very tricky or impossible to measure empircally) I'm not so sure.
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Do you mean the idea of Vettel to Mercedes is crazy, Greem? My primary point is to ask what Mercedes have to gain. More car sales in Germany with a German driver (very tricky or impossible to measure empircally) I'm not so sure.
I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek, but seeing as you asked: yes, I do think that's a crazy idea.

It's marginally less crazy than the Hamilton-to-Ferrari suggestions in that Vettel has gone somewhat off the boil and isn't the dominant force he once threatened to be, but most of my previous concerns would remain for both scenarios. In either case it would, as you suggested, be box-office gold but all parties have far more to lose than I feel they would gain.

Either driver could see their career end - consider the fanfare when Vettel moved to Ferrari, what's happened there since, and how during the last 18 months or so he's repeatedly shown cracks in his usually quite personable nature. There's no way on this earth that Hamilton would want that.

And the other way round, Vettel to Mercedes? If he's as washed-up and burned out as he's appeared at Ferrari, there's no way the board would take him. If he suddenly shines so brightly that he hammers Hamilton, there's equally no way the board would take him (and no way Hamilton would, either).

I've been wrong before, and I expect to be again, but I just don't see the inherent risks in either of the possible moves as beneficial to the drivers, teams or sponsors.
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If Vettel goes back to RedBull as seems increasingly likely where does that leave Albon? Back in TR/AT? With Gasly or kivyat down the dole office?
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Be a blow to Albon if that was the case. He certainly seems more comfortable than Gasly was in that seat.

Vettel has said he would say yes to Red Bull, but all that links him is appeared on Red Bull TV. Will be tough alongside Max for him. It would probably bring back memories of 2014 for him. But he's also not ruling out going to Racing Point either
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"That is something I think that Sebastian is aware of, in fact I know he is," said Horner.'
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I believe him tbf. Certainly at this moment in time, anyways.

Might be a different story if Albon goes on to have a horror year. Unlikely and, even then, they would surely have more options than just Vettel?
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Vettel is probably just trying to get his name out there with a competitive team. I can’t see it happening quite frankly
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Teams are now tripping over themselves to tell the world that they don't want Vettel. Even small teams like Racing Point are saying no.
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Seems Seb will struggle to get any seat at this rate. I wonder though how much his stock has gone down from being outpaced and outscored considerably by young gun Leclerc last season. And I doubt his performance in his first race would have helped his cause.

With Vettel being dropped either two things would have happened with his performance. He would either with nothing to lose, felt no pressure and gone out and shown us at least something like the Seb who won four titles with RBR. Or he would have let his head drop even more and being completely trounced by his team mate. Sadly it looks like the latter has happened
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He has just made too many mistakes on track. That’s it.

Nobody wants someone who spins off or crashes at every third Grand Prix.

His career can survive being outpaced by a youngster. It can’t withstand his transformation into Andrea de Cesaris.
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Pastor Maldovettel?
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He has just made too many mistakes on track. That’s it.

Nobody wants someone who spins off or crashes at every third Grand Prix.

His career can survive being outpaced by a youngster. It can’t withstand his transformation into Andrea de Cesaris.
The mistakes are part of his poor performances. It's a combination of things why he's not exactly high on team's shortlist for 2021
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