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13 Jan 2002, 02:32 (Ref:197793)
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Weber slams Sir Frank and Head
"Ralf Schumacher’s manager Willi Weber has slammed Sir Frank Williams and Patrick Head for comments made about his driver in the press.
The Williams bosses have been outspoken about Schumacher Jr’s poor performances towards the end of last season and Head in particular has been critical of the German’s commitment in testing. Weber is furious at the public manner in which Ralf has been criticised. Speaking in this week’s Autosport magazine Weber said: "I do not find the style that operates in England acceptable. If one has to say something of this type, then they should say it to the driver and not in the press. It is not a good way to deal with a driver." Weber seems to believe that the big pay rise he negotiated recently on Schumacher’s behalf has caused some resentment in the Williams camp. He continued: "I suceeded in extending Ralf’s contract. This was unique, taking into account the financial value – which I can’t reveal – which Williams committed to pay. Frank may have regretted this afterwards – I don’t know. "It is assumed that it no longer pleases him as much. But it is now a signed contract. Both parties are obliged to tick to it." However, it would seem that the comments made by Head and Williams were an attempt to reign in some of Ralf’s more outspoken press comments. At the Japanese Grand Prix he claimed he wanted team orders to allow him to challenge his brother for the world title in 2002. This was despite that fact that team-mate Juan Pablo Montoya was beating him regularly at the time. He has also gone on record during the winter that Montoya is Williams’ favourite. Both Williams and Head are renowned for showing their drivers who is boss and will not have appreciated Schumacher speaking out." |
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13 Jan 2002, 02:34 (Ref:197795)
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Weber is just one more name to the growing list of people who need to keep their big mouth shut. Is he trying to teach Ralf how to get an entire team against him?
And no wonder IF JPM is Williams' favourite. At least he isn't always in the press whinging and whining about team orders and the state of team affairs. |
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13 Jan 2002, 02:41 (Ref:197799)
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this is really the first time i have seen an agent publically criticize a team/owner/manager while his client is under contract.
maybe its just me and im simply too "old school" in thinking everyone should just shut thier trap. |
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13 Jan 2002, 04:15 (Ref:197815)
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Weber isn't doing ralf any good by shooting off his mouth. For Frank and Head, its what happens on the track that counts and they don't suffer fools. (Okay, they put up with Nige) |
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13 Jan 2002, 04:55 (Ref:197823)
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I disagree. The Williams team has a tradition of treating drivers like cattle.
After Damon, Frentzen, Jenson, etc, I'm glad Willi had the guts to put Frank and Patrick in their place. Juan has been quite a loudmouth himself and perhaps Ralf should be more quiet but it's also true that Williams has consistently shown little or no sensitivity to their drivers. Patrick has been consistently outwitted by other teams during a race, he should concentrate on correcting his own faults. Or perhaps BMW should take the engine to another team....... Go Willi !! |
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13 Jan 2002, 09:15 (Ref:197859)
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Ralf ...shut up..everytime you open your mouth latley you seem to dig your self deeper in the hole.....with the money your being paid you should be able to take a bit of flak off your boss striaght on the chin. Willi...with management like you , its probally no wonder that Ralf thinks he's head and shoulders above the rest...When he clearly isnt ! |
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13 Jan 2002, 12:10 (Ref:197953)
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13 Jan 2002, 15:09 (Ref:198030)
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I just want the god damn season to start so JPM can start handing Ralf his ass.
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13 Jan 2002, 15:23 (Ref:198044)
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i gotta agree that this isn't rafe's fault, but willi's not doing his "client" any favours!! maybe rafe should have a word with him, could you imagine what tgf would think/say if willi went in and slagged off ferrari??
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13 Jan 2002, 21:05 (Ref:198196)
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the first point has nothing to do with the Willi / williams situation...i simply think , that if Ralf can leep his thoughts to him self for the next month or 2 , he will doing him self a big favour , as everything he says latley seems to dig him deeper in to the pile of poo that he's already put himself in. the 2nd point is this....with a manager like Willi , who has got used to being a manager to TGF and getting away with certain things like his driver being treated like a GOD......he probally isnt doing Ralf any favours by letting Ralf think he can say such stupid things to the press all the time....maybe it's not Ralf's fault..it is the company that he has grown up with . |
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13 Jan 2002, 21:23 (Ref:198215)
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and while im on this Ralf thingy......if you havent already , buy this weeks autosport and read the Nigel Robuck colunm...it states that after the GERMAN GP when Ralf was totally out paced by Juan Paplo before his engine expired which gave Ralf the win , Ralf said in the F1 press conference that the reason JPM had been quicker than him was because JPM had been going flat out and over stressing the engine , where as Ralf been using lower revs as to not over stress the engine which had made him slower than Juan Paplo ......
Even Patrick Head said this was total rubbish , as the BMW engine had software in to make it impossible for the engine to be over rev'd !.....so in no way was JPM's engine faliure due to the driver over revin it !...Ralf just didnt like the fact that his team mate had Fairly beaten him at his home GP.....there is really no need to say that on world wide tv , when half the world , including the whole of your team and the rest of the paddock knows that your a complete liar !!..... |
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13 Jan 2002, 21:31 (Ref:198221)
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1 word explains rafe to me:-
SCARED!!!!! |
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13 Jan 2002, 21:32 (Ref:198223)
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I think the illusion of Michael Schumacher being a god in terms of the modern F1 era has transferred over onto Ralf. I personally believe Ralf has the potential to challenge big brother on any day. It's just that he needs to put aside the politics. It may have been wrong for Ralf to be saying such things about his team and team mate in the preseason runup but it's bringing the focus on him in multiple ways. Giving him a bit of the limelight and making people talk about him. Esssentially he's trying to get further and further away from the shadow of big brother by creating his stories, news adn of course controversy.
 With Willi Weber making comments it is a direct slur on this perceived notion that Michael can get away with anything, it seems Mr Weber thinks Ralf can get away with the same things. Possibly none of his business to butt his nose in but to be honest Head and Williams may have needed to be blasted at like that considering the treatment they've given some drivers in the past. As usual though in F1, nothings black and white, it's always gray.
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13 Jan 2002, 21:33 (Ref:198224)
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yeah....seems that Montoya has really rattled him man !
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14 Jan 2002, 11:50 (Ref:198472)
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although sir frank and patrick may have mistreated some (all!!) of their drivers it doesn't seem to put anyone off going there.each driver is well paid and given a fair chance of having a chance of winning the wdc.it seems to have worked well for frank,patrick and the drivers alike. |
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14 Jan 2002, 13:12 (Ref:198504)
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Good point. It may actually be that level of aloofness and professional tack that is what has made Williams F1 so successful in the past. Having said that though, a little passion goes a long way, look at Ferrari.
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14 Jan 2002, 17:41 (Ref:198597)
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Sometimes ive cursed Frank and Patrick for their treatment of drivers..but in this case, i think Patrick had every reason to give ralf a slagging..if you read my earlier post about the Nigel Robuck article , it justs makes Ralf look so silly.
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14 Jan 2002, 19:22 (Ref:198656)
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14 Jan 2002, 19:29 (Ref:198663)
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14 Jan 2002, 21:47 (Ref:198768)
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i think employer who pays the employee £6 million per season or whatever rafe earns, is entitled to say what they like/think to sais employee!! f1 drivers and managers are famous people who live their lives in the limelight.......it's part of the job!! i earn alot less than rafe but still get a slaggin from my boss sometimes!!
given the oppertunity what would i choose???.....£6 million and public slaggin £9 per hour and slaggin all the same, but not published in the daily star???...tough 1 that!!big grin |
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14 Jan 2002, 21:54 (Ref:198774)
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14 Jan 2002, 22:13 (Ref:198779)
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and i'll bet that williams wish that he'd been poached by mclaren!! and i'll bet mclaren are glad they haven't poached him!! |
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14 Jan 2002, 22:37 (Ref:198785)
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I agree that Williams have a history of treating their drivers like garbage. I know I have never been able to forgive them for their treatment of Zanardi '99, when he never had the same opportunities as Ralf to perform, and then at the end of the season, when the British press were calling for Alex's head (without actually looking at the facts of his season), Frank obliged, sacked Alex and hired a Brit.
Alex acted with dignity and grace throughout that whole season, and never ever slammed or criticised his team. When asked about the situation, he would always state that everyone was working hard to make the car better. In public he was always positive about the team, despite what Williams and Head were saying in public, and the way he was being treated. It kind of makes the garbage and public outbursts at Williams today seem ridiculous. Both drivers are treated remarkably well, in race winning cars, and they are still *****ing about everything. Weber is upset that Head and Williams have been publicly criticising Ralf. Before Weber opens his mouth, maybe he should "advise" his client to stop publicly criticising his team and his teammate. |
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14 Jan 2002, 22:54 (Ref:198792)
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i think mac sums this up very well. but what you've got here as a team that doesn't want b****x from it's drivers.it wants results and it doesn't care how it gets them! unfortunatly, very good drivers who maybe aren't ungentlemanly (for want of a better word) alex, damon, heinz have all suffered.
but i stand by my previous posts.......all these men are now very wealthy which includes high wages paid by the williams team. all the drivers who have been "badly" treated by williams knew what they were getting themselves into. i think rafe falls into the catorgary of damon, hhf and alex a little bit and that is why willi has took it upon himself to shout his mouth off a bit.the thing is, it's maybe not what rafe needs at the moment. |
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