Track Limits

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I'm unsure if you're being sarcastic or not lol. Brands has the pressure sensors and penalised for activating them.

Watching them run out over the green lap after lap on exit of Hraham Hill bend suggests they weren’t switched on then!

[Alfaholic]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Watching them run out over the green lap after lap on exit of Hraham Hill bend suggests they weren’t switched on then!

Were they running under international rules where it's just one wheel that has to remain within the track boundaries? The one/no wheels off rule is UK specific and only applies to domestic championships as far as I know.

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by Alfaholic

Were they running under international rules where it's just one wheel that has to remain within the track boundaries?

Are you sure?

[Greem]

Yes indeed, they were running to FIA rules where (essentially) if one millimetre of one tyre remains in contact with the white line or the kerb, they're ok.

If none do, bingo.

There were several bingo calls which were processed according to the championship rules. The bulletins are available online.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by steve_r

As this is in the F1 forum, I will talk about the F1 tracks.

I understand the Monaco comparison when discussing run off areas etc. I think that it is perhaps given in jest or light heartedly, but the subtlety of humour is often lost in black and white text. So perhaps some are serious by introducing that red herring into this discussion?

Anyway, the trend for newer street tracks like Baku and the other new mega fast street circuits introduced within the last few years is for a small mistake to potentially lead to a multi-million pound repair bill and driver injuries. That is not a good trend IMO, and in the modern safety conscious F1 world seems to be a massive retrograde step. I would rather get rid of most such tracks from the F1 calendar and have sensible discussions about track limits in safer purpose built tracks.

Idk, they all seemed well behaved at Saudi and Baku. Hardly anyone in the wall there. Same with Miami, although that’s not quite the same

[The Fat Clerk]

MSUK Clerks & Stewards had a zoom meeting this evening about Track Limits, Race & Respect etc. We were told that licence holders will be contacted by MSUK in the next couple of days.

[Badlands99]

Amazing that track limits were never discussed during the Nurburgring 24 hours!

[ClaireSmith]

All I can say is

AT LAST

I was first privy to Eduardo Freitas' Drivers Briefing at Porto, where, he sttated about the white line being a concrete wall... "if you cross it... I will think you have hit the wall.... I will flag your car.... I will pull you in... I will check the car for damage.... this may take time"

Now, finally, its being brought into the driving standards rules

" The principle of track limits is best visualised when one thinks of a street circuit, with hard barriers immediately adjacent to that white line around the track. Suffice to say no driver at such a circuit intentionally goes beyond the white line as they know the consequences would be one of significant damage to the vehicle, with the resulting costs and failure to continue in the race. That same core concept must be borne in mind
when you go to the open sweeps of Silverstone or Donington Park."

AGREED 10000% and I say that as a RACER as well as a CLERK .as a dear friend and international Clerk of the Course and Steward always used to say ".that accelerator works both ways you know!"

(John Smith will be having a ciggie outside race control "up there" and be saying "at least... ")

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

MSUK Clerks & Stewards had a zoom meeting this evening about Track Limits, Race & Respect etc. We were told that licence holders will be contacted by MSUK in the next couple of days.

The letter, complete with pictures, has just landed in my inbox.

[Mike Harte]

This is the link to MSUK's page: https://www.motorsportuk.org/amendme...-track-limits/


The problem, as highlighted at the most recent BTCC meeting at Snetterton is/was that there were only Judges of Fact at 3 corners during the meeting. It seemed that it was a free for all everywhere else on the circuit which makes it illogical and certainly inconsistent. And that is not fair for any driver that is penalised on those 3 corners, but witnessing other drivers transgressing around the rest of the circuit.

[ChrisA]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

This is the link to MSUK's page: https://www.motorsportuk.org/amendme...-track-limits/


The problem, as highlighted at the most recent BTCC meeting at Snetterton is/was that there were only Judges of Fact at 3 corners during the meeting. It seemed that it was a free for all everywhere else on the circuit which makes it illogical and certainly inconsistent. And that is not fair for any driver that is penalised on those 3 corners, but witnessing other drivers transgressing around the rest of the circuit.

There are observers at most points around the circuit. It is their responsibility to report any transgressions of track limits. Then it is the C of C who takes necessary steps.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by ChrisA

There are observers at most points around the circuit. It is their responsibility to report any transgressions of track limits. Then it is the C of C who takes necessary steps.

That may be true, however Tim Harvey made a point during his commentary last weekend that, for the TOCA meeting, they were only monitoring 3 corners for track limits. They even permitted one driver to have almost all wheels on the grass in an overtake on the approach to the bridge. He certainly wouldn't have been able to do that if he was treating the track as if it was a street circuit with armco adjacent to the white line. And that didn't need any observer; it was quite blatant and was caught in the live TV broadcast.

[VIVA GT]

I don't expect many track limit violations this weekend at Monaco...

[Plantagenet]

I felt the letter was well written. As discussed, the issues will be in the implementation and the practicalities of this. For example, 2022 Walter Hayes outcome was still being disputed in 2023 (!!!!) so this piece will need to be iron-out.
Interestingly, gossip in the paddock was that JP's landscaping bill was the main driver of this. He he.
This said, i agree personally with the direction here.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I don't expect many track limit violations this weekend at Monaco...

Really?

The Chicane and the exit of the swimming pool often see drivers leaving the track to...er "defend" their position.