Worst Car-Worst Driver combination...

Radisichrox · 27 Jun 2001, 17:27 (Ref:110349)

Who has some ideas about the worst cars and the worst drivers ever in the btcc? comments please

for me: Worst car- Mazda 323 from 1992 and the Mazda Xedos 6 from 1994.
Worst driver- bobby verdon roe

hunttheshunt · 27 Jun 2001, 18:18 (Ref:110397)

Steve Robertson, 1996 Ford Mondeo.

Enough Said!

pb btcc · 27 Jun 2001, 18:19 (Ref:110398)

Worst Car= Ford Mondeo in 96 it was undriveable and it was always going in and out of the pitlane during races.

Worst Driver= Steve Robertson

touringcarnut · 27 Jun 2001, 19:52 (Ref:110421)

The Toyotas of 1994 were pretty rank. So was old Patrick Watts' mazda of 1993. It was just so unreliable!!!!

Radisichrox · 27 Jun 2001, 21:27 (Ref:110466)

Quote:

Originally posted by Radisichrox
Who has some ideas about the worst cars and the worst drivers ever in the btcc? comments please

for me: Worst car- Mazda 323 from 1992 and the Mazda Xedos 6 from 1994.
Worst driver- bobby verdon roe

Woops, change worst driver to Steve Robertson. Actually, Patrick Watts's mazda acutally took a pole or 2 and finished 4th a couple of times.

Radisichrox · 27 Jun 2001, 21:28 (Ref:110467)

The mazda would be the Xedos from 1993...

hunttheshunt · 28 Jun 2001, 18:12 (Ref:110812)

I dont think the Toyotas of 1994 were too bad, tcn. I certainly think the Mazda's and Nissan's were wores than them in '94.

JTBK · 29 Jun 2001, 14:03 (Ref:111143)

95 Toyota's

Mazda's

AndyF · 29 Jun 2001, 18:18 (Ref:111213)

Both of mine are from 96 - the semi-private Nissan Primeras are the worst cars that have appeared in the 90s, while I feel John Bintcliffe under-acheived in the Audi - considering Biela was tha championship.

hunttheshunt · 29 Jun 2001, 18:23 (Ref:111217)

gain, by the end of 1995 the Toyotas were really competitive, not sluggish!

Guy Goddard · 29 Jun 2001, 20:26 (Ref:111257)

The Peugeots in 98 which gave Paul and Tim no chance.
Who was that Tv bloke who drove a BMW 3 series in the 80's was it Smith who never brought the car across the line without all panels bent!!

Guy Goddard · 29 Jun 2001, 20:30 (Ref:111258)

I almost forgot Mark Lemmer in his privateer Vectra in 98 who appeared to have disconnected his brain when driving and developed the overtaking move of punting people of the track..a bone head with lots of money makes a useless driver. RIP

hunttheshunt · 30 Jun 2001, 12:27 (Ref:111448)

Mark Lemmer is a decent driver, as he proved last year in Class B, but it is tue he does have brain-fade occasionaly. However, in 1998 he did have the toothless '96 Vectra-not the best of cars to compete against Matt Neal, Tommy Rustad and Robb Gravett in.

Darin · 6 Jul 2001, 21:15 (Ref:113863)

Worst driver was Eugene O'Brien. What a ******, who was out of his depth (witness Thruxton 1994), even with some of those muppets in the BTCC with more money than talent!
Worst car, anything with a Vauxhall badge. Reminds me too much of Vivas and Poms with no taste in cars (Tigra, Coarsa(!) etal)

Invincible · 6 Jul 2001, 21:20 (Ref:113867)

You all seem to forget Russell Spence in 1999 in that Renault Laguna.

The only best bit of driving he did was vault the Laguna over the Oulton fence!

pb btcc · 6 Jul 2001, 21:58 (Ref:113881)

95 BMWs
ALFAs in 95

Johnny Cotetto he was meant to set the BTCC on fire in 95 but he failed bigtime

OVERSTEER · 7 Jul 2001, 01:09 (Ref:113963)

Ok how about Colin Blair in his Nissan Primera 1n 2000,same spec as Neal's but did ****, especially compared to Mark Blair (I know the two aren't related) he was sh*t hot in that private Vectra in 1998, god knows why he didn't get an opportunity to continue beyond that season.

AndyF · 7 Jul 2001, 08:54 (Ref:114004)

Warwick and the Alfa?

hunttheshunt · 7 Jul 2001, 12:33 (Ref:114085)

Steve Robertson, WORKS Ford Mondeo, 1996. 2 PONITS. That's it!

JTBK · 7 Jul 2001, 14:39 (Ref:114113)

Craig Baird, 1998 Mondeo

Bennett Fan · 7 Jul 2001, 14:57 (Ref:114116)

Quote:

Originally posted by Radisichrox
Who has some ideas about the worst cars and the worst drivers ever in the btcc? comments please

for me: Worst car- Mazda 323 from 1992 and the Mazda Xedos 6 from 1994.
Worst driver- bobby verdon roe

Bobby Verdon-Roe - Took 2nd on the grid at Knockhill in 1992 in a year old car with the unfancied Dunlop tyres. I wouldn't say that was bad.

Daz · 7 Jul 2001, 15:34 (Ref:114120)

Considering this was his first year in the BTCC and his team mate had been racing Audi Quattros for many years before I'd say John done very well. There was a race at Oulton Park that year when Frank Biela was 2nd and John Bintcliffe was 3rd. John had been under a major attack from Alain Menu for most of the race. Jo Winkelhock had a go at getting past at Knickerbrook and it all went wrong for him. In my view John has been a very sucessfull racing driver winning back to back championships in Clios (1994) then Fiestas (1995). His arrival in the Audi team for 1996 suprised a lot of people but not myself, I knew he would do well there.

JTBK · 7 Jul 2001, 16:15 (Ref:114126)

Quote:

Originally posted by pb btcc
95 BMWs
ALFAs in 95

Johnny Cotetto he was meant to set the BTCC on fire in 95 but he failed bigtime

Cecotto only failed because the 95 Beemer was a dog

AndyF · 7 Jul 2001, 21:25 (Ref:114198)

1992 - Robb Gravett and the Pug 405.
1993 - Harry Nuttall Ecurie Ecosse Vauxhall
1994 - Eric Van De Poole and the Nissan
1995 - Derek Warwick and the Alfa
1996 - Owen McAuley, Nissan Primera
1997 - Patrick Watts, Peugeot 406
1998 - John Bintcliffe, Audi A4

These are my personal opinions, but believe that anyone who can race a Touring Car, and score any points, is a superb driver. I think the above were just unlucky.

Radisichrox · 7 Jul 2001, 22:10 (Ref:114225)

Quote:

Originally posted by AndyF
1992 - Robb Gravett and the Pug 405.
1993 - Harry Nuttall Ecurie Ecosse Vauxhall
1994 - Eric Van De Poole and the Nissan
1995 - Derek Warwick and the Alfa
1996 - Owen McAuley, Nissan Primera
1997 - Patrick Watts, Peugeot 406
1998 - John Bintcliffe, Audi A4

These are my personal opinions, but believe that anyone who can race a Touring Car, and score any points, is a superb driver. I think the above were just unlucky.

Gravett was unlucky in 1992 and also had a bad car.
Nuttall was just plain bad.
van de pole had some bad luck
mcauley was bad
watts had a LOT of bad luck

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