[BTCC] Round Six, Thruxton 28-29 Aug, Races 16,17&18

[crmalcolm]

Rowbottom on pole:

2021 Kwik Fit British Touring Car Championship – Qualifying – Thruxton

1 Daniel ROWBOTTOM (GBR)?Halfords Racing with Cataclean 1:15.521s
2 Jake HILL (GBR)?MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square?+0.086s
3 Josh COOK (GBR)?BTC Racing?+0.111s
4 Rory BUTCHER (GBR)?Toyota Gazoo Racing UK?+0.210s
5 Tom OLIPHANT (GBR)?Team BMW?+0.317s
6 Adam MORGAN (GBR)?Car Gods with Ciceley Motorsport?+0.334s
7 Ashley SUTTON (GBR)?Laser Tools Racing +0.341s
8 Daniel LLOYD (GBR)?Adrian Flux with Power Maxed Racing?+0.401s
9 Colin TURKINGTON (GBR)?Team BMW?+0.410s
10 Senna PROCTOR(GBR)?BTC Racing?+0.418s
11 Jason PLATO (GBR)?Adrian Flux with Power Maxed Racing?+0.522s
12 Tom INGRAM (GBR)?Ginsters EXCELR8 with TradePriceCars.com +0.578s
13 Tom CHILTON (GBR) Car Gods with Ciceley Motorsport +0.632s
14 Gordon SHEDDEN (GBR)?Halfords Racing with Cataclean +0.645s
15 Stephen JELLEY (GBR)?Team BMW?+0.690s
16 Chris SMILEY (GBR)?Ginsters EXCELR8 with TradePriceCars.com +0.745s
17 Jack GOFF (GBR)?Team HARD. with Autobrite Direct?+0.989s
18 Aiden MOFFAT (GBR)?Laser Tools Racing?+1.123s
19 Jade EDWARDS (GBR)?PHSC with BTC Racing?+1.169s
20 Ollie JACKSON (GBR)?MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square?+1.219s
21 Árón TAYLOR-SMITH (IRL)?Team HARD. with HUB Financial Solutions?+1.225s
22 Jack BUTEL (GBR)?EXCELR8 with TradePriceCars.com?+1.242s
23 Paul RIVETT (GBR)?Racing with Wera & Photon Group?+1.249s
24 Sam SMELT (GBR)?Toyota Gazoo Racing UK?+1.359s
25 Jack MITCHELL (GBR) Team HARD. with Autobrite Direct +1.485s
26 Carl BOARDLEY (GBR)?Laser Tools Racing?+1.540s
27 Sam OSBORNE (GBR)?Racing with Wera & Photon Group?+1.549s
28 Rick PARFITT (GBR)?EXCELR8 with TradePriceCars.com?+1.616s
29 Nicolas HAMILTON (GBR)?ROKiT Racing with iQuoto Online Trading?+2.655s

[porsche962fan]

doesn't look good for Tingram and Turkington , Sutton already ahead of them

[S griffin]

Another great lap from Rowbo, he’s really showing he’s worth his place. Especially with team mate Flash down in 14th

Also good to see Hill and Cook up there. Should be a great race tomorrow

[porsche962fan]

yes a worthy replacement for Cammish

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

yes a worthy replacement for Cammish

Didn’t Shedden replace Cammish??

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Didn’t Shedden replace Cammish??

Cammish announced his departure, Neal announced his hiatus.
Then Shedden signed, followed by Rowbottom.

Who replaced who is a bit of a moot point, but if it is important for internet points - Shedden is driving the car Neal previously used in 2020.

[BTCC frog]

I think of Shedden as a replacement for Cammish, and Rowbottom for Neal, but it doesn't really make a difference. The point is that Rowbottom is doing a fine job for Team Dynamics, and is far and away exceeding expectations. Good stuff also from Hill, Cook, Butcher and Oliphant, and impressive from Dan Lloyd to go eighth fastest. Shedden appeared to have some problems in qualifying, so the fourteenth place grid slot is not representative of his pace.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Cammish announced his departure, Neal announced his hiatus.
Then Shedden signed, followed by Rowbottom.

Who replaced who is a bit of a moot point, but if it is important for internet points - Shedden is driving the car Neal previously used in 2020.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-news/gordon-shedden-replaces-dan-cammish-honda-btcc-team

[tux]

Sutton is able to do things that no one else in the field can do. He just drives through the field race after race. Even with the weight onboard, impressive stuff.

[porsche962fan]

at this rate Lord Gow wil be very angry cos Sutton will have such a big gap heading to the final that it will be anti climatic

also don't understand why WSR doesn't try to replicate this ultra soft setup from the Infiniti cos it works in every conditions / weight/ tires/ weather

[BTCC frog]

Brilliant commentary from Paul O’Neill!

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

at this rate Lord Gow wil be very angry cos Sutton will have such a big gap heading to the final that it will be anti climatic

also don't understand why WSR doesn't try to replicate this ultra soft setup from the Infiniti cos it works in every conditions / weight/ tires/ weather

As Paul said in the commentary there is more to it than just making the car soft.

Needs a fair bit of time to work out all the other associated setup changes that are needed by radically altering the spring rates. Not the sort of thing I would want to attempt in mid-season unless the season was a complete write off anyway.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

also don't understand why WSR doesn't try to replicate this ultra soft setup from the Infiniti cos it works in every conditions / weight/ tires/ weather

Far more complicated than just replicating a soft setup.

You need to understand the compression, rebound, damping rates etc. plus diff settings, camber/caster, driver style and many other factors before getting it to work as a set up. Even then, we have no way of knowing if it would work on the BMW. The entire car may be designed around a different philosophy, and running Ash's exact settings on the BMW may make the car slower.

Who knows - perhaps they have tried to replicate it in testing, and have proven that it doesn't work for them?

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Far m

Who knows - perhaps they have tried to replicate it in testing, and have proven that it doesn't work for them?

well nothing seems to work for them now when having weight , the whole season it looks like they are incapable of moving fowards in a race even with low/no weight

[S griffin]

Good win for Cookie, he always looks great here, same with Hill. Sutton looking good. Tough race for Tingram and Turkington

Big crash from Zak in F4, be interesting to see if Abbie made a mistake or was pushed

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

well nothing seems to work for them now when having weight , the whole season it looks like they are incapable of moving fowards in a race even with low/no weight

3rd in Drivers', 1st in Constructors', 1st in Wingfoot currently. It's working better than most.....

[S griffin]

Colin’s now down to 5th, but I agree with sentiment

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

3rd in Drivers', 1st in Constructors', 1st in Wingfoot currently. It's working better than most.....

that 's the whole point, his points is due occassionally qualofying well and managing a lights to flag win but if he ends up in the pack he never moves fowards just go backwards like race 1 while Sutton with even more weight goes fowards

at this rate it's clear they can't beat him

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

that 's the whole point, his points is due occassionally qualofying well and managing a lights to flag win but if he ends up in the pack he never moves fowards just go backwards like race 1 while Sutton with even more weight goes fowards

at this rate it's clear they can't beat him

A problem for BMW, or the whole grid?

[porsche962fan]

Sutton now 36 points ahead of Tingram...

[tux]

Deja Vu

[porsche962fan]

rather farcical race 3 with so many safety car

[antnee]

I'm not sure why they needed a safety car for Jackson's car. With so few laps left why not just handle it with yellows till the race end?

Shame for Jade, slightest wiggle from Shedden. Nothing anyone could do to avoid that.

Some good overtakes throughout the day, Hill in R1 then Ingram's moves in R3.

Good days racing

[BTCC frog]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

rather farcical race 3 with so many safety car

Yes, race three wasn't great, but it was nice to at least have some racing after the events of Spa-Francorchamps. And the first two races were exciting.

[mj088]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Didn’t Shedden replace Cammish??

Aside from fanboy-ego, the contractual issues of who may have replaced who and why is not really relevant to understand the comment is it?