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But on the whole, I think "making it to the top" is fluid and there's no formula, techinque or tip anybody could do to help them get up there. The fact is, the only opinion that counts is the team owner and/or manager. With some of those blokes, who the **** knows what goes on in their heads? For whatever reason they come up with to choose someone over another, there'll be a contrary example. Because there's no defintie answer, my answer is yes. I just don't know how it'll look like or what a young driver should do. Last edited by formerf1champ; 14 Dec 2012 at 12:59. |
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I remember reading on another site. That the whole Aus fford series were going to be sponsored by YP, before fford media manager (and Mark's new "girlfriend") got them to direct their funds into supporting Webber. Isn't Campese a mate of Webber's dad?
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If a poor kid can do a lap time 0.2 secs faster than a kid with a budget, who do you think a team will take on?
Sadly the days of getting a drive on talent alone are gone. Luke is a very marketable young man. He has the race driver look about him, he's fit, intelligent, articulate, a very marketable person. His only downfall is that he was born into a normal bank balance. Here's a challenge for those who have connections out there, get Luke a test day and if he doesn't out perform the established driver, you'll never have to put up with my posts again. I can hear Pecky reaching for the tissues already. |
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But i rang up my contact straight after you made that offer, oh well That aside. Not sure how luke is funding this gig, but its great that he his getting this opportunity. He is talking championship, but i imagine there are funding limitation to that Does this suggest it is still possible to make it big in Australian Motorsport on talent alone? I know the Giz has a quality pedigree, but is he from a middle class family? I would suggest he has made it and during the GFC as well |
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Luke does not have his gig in the USF2000 confirmed yet for next year. He has not been able to raise the budget on his own, and is pedaling a US based manager really hard trying to raise the cash. The cost to run USF2000 for one year is $250,000.00. Luke has had this subsidised by the team owner I think, but he is still a long way off being able to fund it.
Luke got the same time around Sandown in my four cylinder 27 year old Skyline, as John Bowe and Jum get around there in their TCM Cars. And Trev your right, the holinger broke again in practice, so he was running a standard Nissan road Synchro box. He still put it on the front row, and the only thing that stopped him from keeping it there is an annoying miss that we can't find. |
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Well, if you want to do a year of National Formula Ford, you need at least 200 grand to be somewhat competitive.
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So anecdotal evidence would suggest that "no" is the answer as no one seems to get adrive without bringing a budget to a major team.
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Its all a matter of talent and genetics
Talent doesn't matter,but if your genetic birth parents own a gold mine you can go far in motorsort. |
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Of recent times money has been a big help, but with or without, talent certainly plays a big part. Luke, unfortunately, is one of many young guns who has trouble stepping up the ladder after doing well in junior formulae. Maybe Carolyn (?) should sell the Skyline and become a patron of one so deserving?? PS: The Skyline may be 27 years old but don't forget the TCM cars are even older (severely tongue-in-cheek)
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I don't see any point in getting into an argument with diminishing returns but of course the DR30 is fast, too. It's a homologated Group A racer and any well sorted and developed race car is generally fast. It's always had similar pace to a TCM car, but they are apples and pears. The Seton/Fury cars both practiced and qualified in '87 at Bathurst in the 2:22/23 sec bracket (the first year of the Chase). This year Bowe qual'd on pole with a 2:21 up there.
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the story in last month's MNews re Warren Luff painted a picture that would fit. It did kick off 15 or so years ago though.
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I can recall a quote from John Harvey only a few years ago - he said that in his day he needed a patron (back when he was making a name for himself) and that these days more people get a crack as they are able to use their talent to develop sponsorships. Not talking about driving talent, more the talent of being able to put together a deal and deal with sponsors professionally - this is part of the make up of a pro or semi-pro driver.
In other words, it's always been relatively expensive but there are more options for funding these days (back when John was doing it, sponsorship signage was restricted by the authorities). Ultimately, motorsport is expensive - there are other sports such as yachting, gliding, aerobatics etc that are also expensive however and as ever when equipment comes into it, a competitor requires talent and the right gear (which takes money) to get up to the pointy end. To a lesser (cost) extent, sports such as rowing, cycling and shooting are similar - combination of talent and the right tools. |
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