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Old 22 Nov 2018, 16:42 (Ref:3865039)   #61
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Who designs these calendars? You have WEC weekend in Shanghai with little to none support package, and then week later on the same circuit ASLMS with (presumably) little to none support package. So not only are integrated grids between series thing of the past, but they also attempt to devaluate the weekends as much as they can. It just doesn't make sense, even budget wise, renting the track for another week.
Well, at first sight it looks like you are right, but I think they have different interests, like showing the Endurance series to a public of Touring Cars. There are other two series running this weekend at Shanghai.

This year we should see better racing action (I hope). Beside the fast Derani (how I enjoy watching driving this guy), the United Autosport effort with Phil Hanson and the always fast Orecas of JC Racing, should provide better racing.
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Old 22 Nov 2018, 17:22 (Ref:3865048)   #62
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Looks like there are more support races for the ASLMS than for WEC.
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 00:18 (Ref:3868653)   #63
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Earlier on, there was this news of perhaps both current spec-gen & older non-spec-gen LMP2s being eligible for the next season simultaneously
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/asia...ed-lmp2-grids/

Now, my question is, why can't this series also become the home for the nonhybrid LMP1s, after they are killed off from WEC in 2021? Same for LMP3 after the current cycle goes through

It could literally become the series for "rejected cars"... why not? At least there would be something to see.
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 01:31 (Ref:3868661)   #64
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Pretty good idea, it's worked for LMP2 so far.
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 02:24 (Ref:3868668)   #65
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Right? You could have

Prototype 1
LMP1 2018 (Non-Hybrid)

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LMP2 2017

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LMP2 Pre-2017

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LMP3 2020

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Group CN, Ginetta G57, Radicals, LMPC etc

2x automatic Le Mans invite for P1, 1x for P2-A and 1x for P2-B
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 03:56 (Ref:3868679)   #66
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Earlier on, there was this news of perhaps both current spec-gen & older non-spec-gen LMP2s being eligible for the next season simultaneously
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/asia...ed-lmp2-grids/

Now, my question is, why can't this series also become the home for the nonhybrid LMP1s, after they are killed off from WEC in 2021? Same for LMP3 after the current cycle goes through

It could literally become the series for "rejected cars"... why not? At least there would be something to see.
Because the wec is selfish and imo rightly so. None of the lmp1 guys would stay in the wec if they could much more easily go for wins in AsLMS with their cars. But would they be invited to Le Mans? And if they were would it even matter because their pace wouldn't be compared to Toyota during the season but instead to each other. Toyota is the benchmark so competing against them for the sake of making your car faster or having the ACO help with that is another reason to run the wec and not a 'local' series.
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 14:11 (Ref:3868741)   #67
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Because the wec is selfish and imo rightly so. None of the lmp1 guys would stay in the wec if they could much more easily go for wins in AsLMS with their cars. But would they be invited to Le Mans? And if they were would it even matter because their pace wouldn't be compared to Toyota during the season but instead to each other. Toyota is the benchmark so competing against them for the sake of making your car faster or having the ACO help with that is another reason to run the wec and not a 'local' series.
I am still willing to hold on to my (now very old) view that truly healthy customer market cannot exist for too long if it's able to run in just a single series. Both previous-gen LMP1 and GT1 essentially died off in numbers after they were cornered off. And after the launch of LMGTP where they are once again no longer able to even theoretically win overall in Le Mans (c'mon we know that's what's gonna happen if multiple OEMs come abroad) that's gonna be even more the case.

Anyway, as I said on my first post, "after they are killed off from WEC in 2021"... what harm could there possible be if the 'obsolete' cars were in regional series at that stage?

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Old 9 Dec 2018, 01:21 (Ref:3868879)   #68
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I could see that happening if they are not going to be in the wec anymore but I think it might be too expensive for some vs a semi-spec lmp2. The aco might still say they should step up to lm-hypercar if they could afford to run lmp1's before. Like I said, I think they're selfish and want 'top cars' in their top series.
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It's a mere 4-round calendar packed inside 3 months, I'm pretty sure the budgets of someone running Oreca or Dallara LMP1 wouldn't be that much higher than if they had spec LMP2 chassis
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Is someone suggesting to add the not-so-old LMP1 cars to the Asian Le Mans?


It is just me noticing these winter series have zero interest from the fans.
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Is someone suggesting to add the not-so-old LMP1 cars to the Asian Le Mans?


It is just me noticing these winter series have zero interest from the fans.
Yes. P1 - even obsolete-by-late-2021-P1 - here would make ASLMS watchable. As it stands now the series has a very boring outlook with dull, gray Formula 1 circuits (at least last year they still had Zhuhai), half of which are the same exact ones used by WEC but for some reason run separately. The Thai race being made 'grander' than the other events is respectable but even so it doesn't really shine out with same faces turning up and nothing special being at stake, like extra LM auto invite or integrated grid with regional series. Finally the pro-am Division B format is just as dis-interesting as in ELMS to me.

The one and only real positive about this series right now is that the non-spec LMP2s are there, instead of the cartel regulations. Or rather, could've been, seen it's just Onroak-fest right now (albeit Nissan and Judd powered) by accident. I read somewhere that the old SMP P2 chassis was to be entered but then cancelled.

There was also a race this weekend I guess

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Old 10 Dec 2018, 16:43 (Ref:3869213)   #72
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Wish they would run at former Aida TT (Okayama?), that AsLMS double header (2x 500k) quite a few years ago was great to watch! There are plenty of other interesting Japanese tracks out there as well. And Zhuhai would be an improvement over Shanghai.
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Old 10 Dec 2018, 17:05 (Ref:3869220)   #73
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Wish they would run at former Aida TT (Okayama?), that AsLMS double header (2x 500k) quite a few years ago was great to watch! There are plenty of other interesting Japanese tracks out there as well. And Zhuhai would be an improvement over Shanghai.
Yes the 500 double header (run in conjunction with at-the-time WTCC) at Okayama was great! SUGO would be even better, and Autopolis okay too

However, seeing as in their one of more interviews the series head pressed on the Formula 1 circuits being a big plus for the series, these circuits are likely there to stay

Shanghai and Fuji are dead boring but even they would be 'acceptable' if the series didn't stubbornly run on their own weekends, leaving WEC only with some Porsche Cup supports or whatever when they go there earlier
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Super meetings with Formula Nippon, Super GT and/or Blancpain Asia would be a major pull as well.
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Yes

They sort of trialed old school 'grid integration' at Shanghai with the four-car Porsche Cup formation/invitation, which IIRC is the very first time this sort of thing has been attempted since that SGT GT300 one-off integration at Fuji 2013, so I guess they are at least trying different solutions... but it's not enough
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