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Old 28 Nov 2018, 21:34 (Ref:3866701)   #31
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........ then there is no problem !!
which is what I've been trying to say all along
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Old 28 Nov 2018, 22:15 (Ref:3866710)   #32
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One possible challenge is that most eyesight, human included, is generally more responsive to movement than to colour.

Movement can be very distracting or, to put that another way, very attention attracting where it exists in an otherwise fairly consistent visual feed.

Light boxes can only offer one mode of communication as they are currently set up. Conversely a human wielding a red flag (or one of his colleagues) at least has the option to make movement that might attract the attention of a driver who has not noticed a flag. Whether the flag SHOULD be stationary or not may not be terribly significant at that moment.

Inanimate objects do not have that benefit.
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Old 28 Nov 2018, 22:21 (Ref:3866711)   #33
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There may be other solutions available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr6TzhCQs8Q
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 12:36 (Ref:3868253)   #34
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The ambiguity of the colour vision section of the licence application has been a problem for doctors, opticians and applicants for many years now.
Somehow the MSA, or Motorsport UK if you prefer, have made it worse.

In the pamphlet accompanying the licence application it says..
"In any event, as well as passing such tests as referred to above (Ishihara and Farnsworth), there must be no risk of any errors in the perception of the colours of flags or any light boxes"

Knowing that I never have or ever will pass an Ishihara test I phoned the MSA, to be told 'that's OK, all you need to do is pass a light box test'....apparently this can be done at Race Medics in Redhill or at the Racing Car Show in Jan, and errr, um, maybe at your local circuit, but we don't know for sure

Well, that's handy then...……does anyone have any more positive info for us unfortunate 8%?
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 13:01 (Ref:3868256)   #35
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One of the Historic FF2000 drivers failed his Ishihara test a couple of weeks ago so went to Motor Racing Medics for a lightbox test. He passed that with no problem. The good news is that, once the lightbox test pass has been recorded, there is no need to take a colour blindness test in future.
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Yes, true enough Alan, the fact that this is now a one off test certainly sweetens the pill, and will remove the yearly confusion of 'to what degree are you colour blind?'
But poor colour vision isn't confined to a 50 mile radius of Redhill.
Is there anyone out there from an operating circuit who's received instruction from Motorsport UK re conducting light box tests?
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Yes, true enough Alan, the fact that this is now a one off test certainly sweetens the pill, and will remove the yearly confusion of 'to what degree are you colour blind?'
But poor colour vision isn't confined to a 50 mile radius of Redhill.
Is there anyone out there from an operating circuit who's received instruction from Motorsport UK re conducting light box tests?
I very much doubt it as it's not MUK's responsibility to give instruction on carrying out the test, in the same way they don't get involved in arranging the provision of ECGs. The eyesight requirements are within the Medical Declaration part of the licence application and I think it's implicit that a doctor has to carry it out, Dr Green being the only one I know of. If Redhill's too far for you then Autosport is the other option as I mentioned back in post #18. I'd take the positive, it's good to have an excuse 'but I have to go to Autosport to get my eye test done...'
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 05:38 (Ref:3868460)   #38
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He / They will also be at Race Retro in February. I don't know if The Porsche Human Performance Centre at Silverstone is able to do the alternative test, but may be worth asking..... (They do ECG/SRECG and Meds....)
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Successfully scrutineered at Motor Racing Medics in Redhill. And a very well organised and efficient outfit they are too.
You're right MGDavid, Dr Green said that there weren't any circuits geared up to do the 'light box test', mainly because the kit needed (designed and built by MRM) hasn't been bought by anyone else.
And Mike you're also right MRM are taking their kit to various shows.....so the message to all those racers who are likely to fail Mr Ishihara's fiendish test...don't leave sorting out your 'light box test' too late, as it appears there's not many folk out there that can conduct it.
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Out of interest, as I am not applying to renew my licence which lapsed nearly 50 years ago, is there a pass rate for the Ishihara test, or do you have to get them all right. I ask because I tried the online test, and was unable to "see" 3 of the 24 items. Then they tell you that 2 were just to fool you (I am not talking about the easy ones for children), so in reality I was just unable to see one pattern.
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Some of them are lines, either 0, 1 or 2.
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Direct quote from section H of the Yearbook. It is the same as Appendix L of the ISC

method of analysis used should be a pass of the Ishihara test (24 plate version) with the first 15 plates, presented in random order, being identified without error.

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Mike H, the official MUK wording is "....a pass of the Ishihara test (24 plate version) with the first 15 plates, presented in random order, being identified without error..."
So even your 21 out of 24 is a likely failure.
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