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Old 6 Dec 2018, 15:13 (Ref:3868292)   #6121
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I'm still praying for this line of text to appear: "Alongside the LMGTP and LMP2 classes, LMP1 class shall be retained for cars corresponding to the 2018 Non-Hybrid technical regulations. Homologations will be extended until the conclusion of 2023-2024 season"

That way we could still have some fun in these "gap years" before zero emission... and not all gloom and misery
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 15:26 (Ref:3868295)   #6122
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See the clarification above. Like I originally thought, it means any entry can either use a production engine or a bespoke one. Same for ERS. And the rules only specify that if an entry want to use a production engine or ERS, those numbers need to be met. And there was never anything about cars, only engines and ERS.

If a privateer wants to race all they have to do is build a car to the regulations. That's it. Then if they want to use a road car engine, the manufacturer of that engine needs to meet those production numbers.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 15:27 (Ref:3868296)   #6123
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I don't blame you for being confused though, I had to read those sections at least 3 times to get an idea! It's good that they came out and clarified a few things.
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I don't blame you for being confused though, I had to read those sections at least 3 times to get an idea! It's good that they came out and clarified a few things.
Me, I'm easily confused, especially when faced with 106 pages of technical regulations. I do think this was important though, there should have been clarification in the 'explainer' they published yesterday.

Anyway, now wondering if Rebellion will turn to Toyota to power their Oreca built hypercar...
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 19:41 (Ref:3868365)   #6125
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I have been trying to understand what they mean when they say "two motors" for the ers. Don't they say torque vectoring is banned? Think about it, if you use a 'production' based ers you can have two electric motors. But the rules also say that the front axel is the only place to have electric drive. Why would you want to use two motors unless you plan to drive each front wheel separately? In turn, that would be a form of torque vectoring but it would be controlled by each motor in the front. My guess would be an in-wheel motor for the front two wheels. That might circumvent the "no torque vectoring" rule. Admittedly I haven't read it yet so I could be wrong.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 22:22 (Ref:3868389)   #6126
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Just wondering.


Ok, they have the new regulations. But there just one year and a half remains untill those cars should be running and.... Just one team/constructor confirmed that they will be in. If I were the ACO I would start to be a little bit worried, I mean, 1 year and a half is almost no time.
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Hope you are all well. We are very happy with the rules. We look forward to being there and offering road legal examples of our "Hypercar LMP1".
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-Posted by James Glickenhaus on Racer.com; https://racer.com/2018/12/05/fia-app...r-regulations/

So the one committed manufacturer is still committed, at least - nothing in the finalized rules scared them off. Now it's just a matter of putting it all together.
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I think it's safe to say Toyota isn't going anywhere but Le Mans. So 2 manufacturers to start isn't bad, and there's reason to believe there might be more in the second year.
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I think it's safe to say Toyota isn't going anywhere but Le Mans. So 2 manufacturers to start isn't bad, and there's reason to believe there might be more in the second year.
If we count the Glickenhaus LMGTP team as road car manufacturer, we might just as well have said the same for Ginetta LMP1 this year. So in that regard we already had two manufacturers at the start of this "emergency season"
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Donít like the idea of success ballast. Prototypes have always been about the best winning. At least they are not doing it for LM
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If we count the Glickenhaus LMGTP team as road car manufacturer, we might just as well have said the same for Ginetta LMP1 this year. So in that regard we already had two manufacturers at the start of this "emergency season"
You're right, I should have said entrants.
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There has to be additional entrants that we are not aware of or this path doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem like something a large manufacturer would be interested in and, as cool as they are, why would you "hang your hat" on boutique manufacturers?

I'm hoping for the best so let's see what happens.
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Donít like the idea of success ballast. Prototypes have always been about the best winning. At least they are not doing it for LM
Yes, i agree it is good they aren't doing it for Le Mans, but why have a championship where you run to a set of rules and then toss them for the last round? I guess it is the ACO/FIA's way to make sure there are more cars potentially in the running for the championship when the last round comes up?
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Full season cars run 0 ballast in the last race of the season for Super GT as well, it's more an issue of not having your finale kneecapped by contenders carrying too much ballast to be competitive.

As well in WEC you get extra points for the longer races, so even if it wasn't Le Mans specifically people would be throwing the preceding 6 hour race to run lighter. Although in the current schedule you'd still be looking at Shanghai that way because Sebring has extra points.
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Yes, i agree it is good they aren't doing it for Le Mans, but why have a championship where you run to a set of rules and then toss them for the last round? I guess it is the ACO/FIA's way to make sure there are more cars potentially in the running for the championship when the last round comes up?
Makes sense, but for me, and I suspect the ACO too, the championship is less important than Le Mans itself. I believe applying success ballast to the preceding rounds is one of many compromises the ACO has had to make to bring manufacturers on board, but dug their heels in when it came to Le Mans. I don't think they want it, but have been persuaded to use it. Not sure if I've worded that in a way that makes sense.
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