WEC Audi to Return in 2022?

rdjones · 27 Sep 2018, 11:27 (Ref:3852931)

I am just going to leave this here....Audi to return in 2022...????

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...-targeted.html

**Aysedasi** · 27 Sep 2018, 11:40 (Ref:3852940)

Fits into the 'believe it when I see it' category......

broadrun96 · 27 Sep 2018, 12:32 (Ref:3852954)

Yeah, how long have we heard about BMW building a hydrogen car for LM? and how many test cars have had spy shots taken of these? Car builders aren't the most secretive and you'd assume we would have some hints or pictures of some kind until this modified LMP3 car.

Never mind the fact that making hydrogen is not an efficient process.

deggis · 27 Sep 2018, 13:14 (Ref:3852960)

Remember there is a plan to introduce some sort of sub-class for hydrogen cars for 2024 (Autosport).

So an earlier Garage 56 entry would make sense.

GT6 · 27 Sep 2018, 13:40 (Ref:3852964)

2022 is a long way off, speculation is always going to happen until real plans are published

EffectiveSprinkles · 27 Sep 2018, 15:02 (Ref:3852977)

Personally this hydrogen fuel cell malarky will diminish my interest in the whole top class by such that I won't even care anymore if Audi joins at that point.

Akrapovic · 27 Sep 2018, 16:32 (Ref:3852989)

Similar to Sprinkles, I'm worried that all these quiet cars will reduce my interest. I didn't mind the diesels because they were different. One or two quiet cars is fine (same reason you don't want everything to be a Corvette), but when every car becomes the same, I begin to lose interest a bit. Noise is important to me, even if I don't have the ability to put my reasons why into words.

MaskedRacer · 27 Sep 2018, 16:38 (Ref:3852992)

Audi never left. The R8 LMS folks.

EffectiveSprinkles · 27 Sep 2018, 16:44 (Ref:3852995)

... which does not race in WEC or ELMS. On top of being a customer GT3 car.

Akrapovic · 27 Sep 2018, 16:48 (Ref:3852996)

As pointed out by EffectiveSprinkles, the GT3 car is a customer car. It's a profit centre and Audi supports customers in it. Saying Audi never left is like saying BMW and Mercedes never left because they have customers they support racing their GT3 cars.

GT6 · 27 Sep 2018, 17:16 (Ref:3853000)

Sorry if i do not understand but i thought a hydrogen cell engine was an actual engine burning hydrogen instead of petrol/diesel so will never be as quiet as an electrical motor and have an exhaust noise as the gases are expelled.

**Aysedasi** · 27 Sep 2018, 17:20 (Ref:3853002)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Similar to Sprinkles, I'm worried that all these quiet cars will reduce my interest. I didn't mind the diesels because they were different. One or two quiet cars is fine (same reason you don't want everything to be a Corvette), but when every car becomes the same, I begin to lose interest a bit. Noise is important to me, even if I don't have the ability to put my reasons why into words.

Agreed. My son has been at Silverstone today and has sent me several little bits of video and sound files of a couple of former F1 cars that were out there today. The sound literally had my legs tingling. Formula E? Hydrogen? I'll pass thanks. I agree I wouldn't want a whole field of Corvettes at Le Mans, but thank goodness that two of them are still there every year......

**Aysedasi** · 27 Sep 2018, 17:20 (Ref:3853003)

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Originally Posted by GT6

Sorry if i do not understand but i thought a hydrogen cell engine was an actual engine burning hydrogen instead of petrol/diesel so will never be as quiet as an electrical motor and have an exhaust noise as the gases are expelled.

Not a clue Simon….

Akrapovic · 27 Sep 2018, 17:22 (Ref:3853004)

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Originally Posted by GT6

Sorry if i do not understand but i thought a hydrogen cell engine was an actual engine burning hydrogen instead of petrol/diesel so will never be as quiet as an electrical motor and have an exhaust noise as the gases are expelled.

Negative, these are different things (easy to mix up though, I only did some reading into this last week).

A hydrogen fuel cell engine uses hydrogen and oxygen and combines them in the 'fuel cell' to produce electricity. That's then stored very temporarily in a battery or super-capacitor, and then used to drive electric motors. The only output is water. This is essentially an electric drive, with the electricity produced by a hydrogen and oxygen chemical reaction.

A hydrogen combustion engine uses hydrogen and oxygen but rather than a 'chemical reaction' in a fuel cell, they are burnt in an engine** in a 'traditional' petrol engine style, and that drives the gearbox and drive train etc as we're used to. The only output is water. The reason they don't use hydrogen combustion engines is that for it to work, the hydrogen still has to be in liquid form - which means incredibly cold, and under extreme pressure. The fuel cell does not have this problem. The hydrogen combustion engine block also has to be thicker and heavier than a traditional block, which means the engine weighs more.

** As someone will point out, burning things together is a chemical reaction. What I mean is that in the hydrogen combustion engine, it's more like a traditional petrol engine, which the fuel cell reaction is a completely different type of chemical reaction.

**Adam43** · 27 Sep 2018, 18:24 (Ref:3853019)

Another advantage of the fuel cell is that you can use electric motors and the inherent advantages of those (torque, drivetrain). Managed properly you can also extract the power from the fuel in the most efficient way. Whereas a combustion engine rarely runs at its most efficient point.

When you are making a race car the designers ask themselves if they want a louder noise of a faster car. Actually they don’t even ask because they inherently go for the latter.

I love the noise, but I only love it when it is an unintended consequence of the production of power. My road car has an exhaust setting. It makes no difference to the performance of the car, but just makes the exhaust louder and poppy and bangy. It’s stupid. I don’t appreciate that noise.

On the hobby car I fitted a different exhaust. Gets me a few horses. It also makes it louder. The unintended consequence is excellent here. I appreciate it.

I hope I am getting my point across. The noise appeals, but don’t set the regulations for the benefit of the noise. That’s backwards.