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Old 29 Jun 2019, 09:40 (Ref:3914738)   #1
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I chopped the header short because I couldn't think of a shorter way to put it.

We have a new trend in F1 fandom, if someone within the teams dares to even open his or her mouth and express dissatisfaction of something they are automatically accused of whining by the fandom of the sport. Is it fair to say the fans are whining also? I must admit if anything turns me off F1 it will be the childish attitude of the fans and their attitude surrounding this.
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Old 29 Jun 2019, 09:59 (Ref:3914740)   #2
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It's the way of the world these days. People have to be careful these days, especially with the rise of social media. It's likely to be jumped on almost immediately if they say the wrong thing. I applaud anyone who tries to rise above that and say what they think, whether we agree or disagree with it
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Old 29 Jun 2019, 12:02 (Ref:3914753)   #3
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I chopped the header short because I couldn't think of a shorter way to put it.

We have a new trend in F1 fandom, if someone within the teams dares to even open his or her mouth and express dissatisfaction of something they are automatically accused of whining by the fandom of the sport. Is it fair to say the fans are whining also? I must admit if anything turns me off F1 it will be the childish attitude of the fans and their attitude surrounding this.
Yes the fans whiny all the time. People are miserable, it appears worse nowadays, as social media has allowed that to be easily expressed. People feel clever if they can point out something that is wrong. The real tragedy is this drowns out good, considered, critical observations and means the fan voice is difficult to listen too.

But isn’t this whining about the fans whining? do I win a prize for this?
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Old 29 Jun 2019, 12:19 (Ref:3914755)   #4
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Theres so much whining about F1 even my sheep are whining about.
They dont watch it on TV anymore,infact they won't have a baaaa of it anymore.
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Old 29 Jun 2019, 20:55 (Ref:3914829)   #5
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The problem is that it attracts fans,as opposed to died in the wool enthusiasts, and has done so ever since it became a made for TV soap opera . That means silly tribalism , conspiracies and childish spats between rival factions, few of whom actually watch races (of any sort ) from trackside . F1 is a TV reality show.



I love motor sport , including but absolutely not confined to F1 , and I believe it is a very broad church - from club racing and speed events to rallying and single seater racing.



I have watched the sport for 50 years - and all I want is a good race, never really fussed who wins.



I can whinge , of course , so don't get me started on the simply obscene cost of F1 , the absurd leverage manufacturers have and the fact that F 1 consorts with some very shady regimes . I wouldn't be paid to attend races in totalitarian hell holes like the UAE or Azerbaijan , for example .
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Theres so much whining about F1 even my sheep are whining about.
They dont watch it on TV anymore,infact they won't have a baaaa of it anymore.

When is this forum going to get a "like" feature...
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Old 30 Jun 2019, 02:52 (Ref:3914865)   #7
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Theres so much whining about F1 even my sheep are whining about.
They dont watch it on TV anymore,infact they won't have a baaaa of it anymore.
Are your sheep died in the wool F1 fans that have earnt the right to bleat about F1?
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Old 30 Jun 2019, 05:32 (Ref:3914869)   #8
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I chopped the header short because I couldn't think of a shorter way to put it.

We have a new trend in F1 fandom, if someone within the teams dares to even open his or her mouth and express dissatisfaction of something they are automatically accused of whining by the fandom of the sport. Is it fair to say the fans are whining also? I must admit if anything turns me off F1 it will be the childish attitude of the fans and their attitude surrounding this.
If you are enjoying the current state or season of the sport, constant criticism of the same issue repeatedly can get tiresome. I can't talk much as I have been on both sides myself. Just check out my post from when the WEC was created... I was an inconsolable *******. I was also correct.
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Yes the fans whiny all the time. People are miserable, it appears worse nowadays, as social media has allowed that to be easily expressed. People feel clever if they can point out something that is wrong. The real tragedy is this drowns out good, considered, critical observations and means the fan voice is difficult to listen too.

But isnít this whining about the fans whining? do I win a prize for this?
Adam, stop whining about Casper whining about fans whining about drivers whining!
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Old 30 Jun 2019, 10:07 (Ref:3914891)   #10
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Adam, stop whining about Casper whining about fans whining about drivers whining!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS8cRqLymaA

Now I'm putting a wining video up in response to whining about Casper whining about fans whining about drivers whining!
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Old 30 Jun 2019, 11:27 (Ref:3914903)   #11
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Hmm, now I'm thirsty!

But, why do people who watch F1 complain?

For me it's like watching an old friend of 50 odd years, die slowly from a crippling disease. I obviously recall the good times and the bad, which made up his or her character. But the sad thing about it is, that even if he or she continues to survive for a few more years, the disease has taken so much hold that he or she will never be that old friend again.

So, I'll keep on offering objective criticism knowing that people just think I'm old and irrelevant, whilst those of you who are the experts can solve the problem and put it out of its misery.
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Old 30 Jun 2019, 13:16 (Ref:3914915)   #12
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Complaints I get, we all have them but as soon as someone within F1 makes a complaint or even a suggestion they are whining according to the great unwashed. I have been watching F1 on and off for a bit longer than 50 years either in print or on TV when it became available and the fan base IMHO are becoming more moronic than the management of F1, is that possible? I was surprised it took three posts for the inevitable jokes to start, you guys are getting slower on the come backs.
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obviously i love talking about, arguing about, and complaining about sports!

at times the narrative may seem worse today then in decades past and that may be down to online/social media stuff but for me the positives outweigh the negatives...harder to find but once you do you are likely to have the opportunity to interact with sizable group of knowledgeable and well reasoned fans.
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What gets me is that whining has become automatic. And I agree with chillibowl that the proliferation of social media and the ease with which garbage can now be posted based upon absolutely no intelligent thought at all has something to do with it. But people do whine a lot these days. Even at work, the staff I work closely with in my team constantly whine about what they're expected to do, in the full knowledge that there is nothing they can do about it. I spent quite a long time a few years back doing management courses which my employer considered to be essential for all managers (and thus it was obligatory to go). I learned very little other than a lot of fancy new jargon and theories apparently to replace my common sense with, but I did learn that there is nothing so pointless as spending valuable time and energy whining about something that you have no power at all to change. Like Peter, I'm getting older now and yes, I'm probably irrelevant too, my only task on this earth these days is to persuade the weather Gods not to vent their ire with non-sun during Le Mans week, but am I worried about people moaning about F1? No, not really. It's not exactly end of the world stuff, is it?
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They constantly complain.. If F1 disappeared they would complain about that too ..
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