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Old 1 Jun 2021, 11:37 (Ref:4054200)   #16
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A question-is this thread for reporting rumours seen elsewhere or for starting our own?
I guess either - and threads can take their own course, I don't have a hard-over view one way or the other.

I started the thread because I saw the story running on a few news feeds, and noticed that a 2022 thread had not already been created. I tagged it 'rumours', and expect that once the rumour train has run its course, we'll see a 2022 launch thread and then race specific threads through the season?

The only thing I personally would prefer (although I have no control over) is that when rumours are presented, a source is also provided if available. That way, we can all make a judgement on the credibility of the rumour.
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Old 1 Jun 2021, 11:48 (Ref:4054203)   #17
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I wish all these journalists would just give Bottas a break. He really isn't doing a bad job. It makes sense to me that Mercedes would want Russell in the second car, but only because he has more potential for the future, and could possibly be their number one driver once Hamilton retires. Bottas isn't good enough to be number one at Mercedes, but is certainly good enough to be number two, and I am sure that, if paired with Russell this year, Bottas would come out on top (although not ahead of Verstappen, of course). This year, Bottas has still been a solid number two for Mercedes, with the exception of a shocking drive in Imola. It seems as though the Mercedes and the Red Bull are close to equal cars, so Bottas should be coming third every time, and capitalising with a second place when Red Bull struggle, which hasn't really happened yet. This year, he has finished third in every race that he has finished, and would have been second in Monaco. He also stayed close enough in Spain to stop Verstappen pitting, although he was unhelpful when Hamilton tried to pass him. Bottas has certainly done better than Perez this year, and the points table, which has him behind Lando Norris, does not tell the whole story.

So I think it probably is time for Mercedes to replace Bottas with Russell (at the end of the year, certainly not midseason), but because they need to look to the future, not because Bottas is doing badly. I suspect that Bottas struggles with media pressure, and that he would do better if journalists stopped having a go at him. He would surely thrive in a midfield team, so if this rumour is true and Mercedes drop him, the likes of Alpine and Aston Martin should attempt to sign him. I hope he at least ends up at Williams and isn't forced out of the sport altogether.
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Old 1 Jun 2021, 12:23 (Ref:4054214)   #18
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A question-is this thread for reporting rumours seen elsewhere or for starting our own?
As if we are ever able to remain on topic in any thread!

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My own feeling is that next year we will be seeing fewer former world champions on the grid as their younger team-mates are putting them in the shade.
I don't know the answer, but how many of the current former WDC are in a one year contract situation? I guess it also depends upon how much they are being paid. Alonso is very rusty and/or beyond his sell by date. I am not sure which. Not sure what is going on with Vettel and if he can get his Mojo back or not. Lets see how rest of season works out for Alonso and Vettel. I would hate to see Kimi leave.

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Another interesting consideration will be whether the cost cap will mean there will be less need for seat buyers of questionable talent.
From a salary perspective marketing, the top three team personnel (i.e. team boss, technical director, etc. type of people) plus the two drivers is not included in the base cost caps system. They are working on an additional cost cap system to address drivers. I have no idea where they are with that. I think $30 million per team was being proposed.

In the end, budget and funding are two different things. So pay drivers is part of the funding equation and it seem it will be hard for ALL teams to be funded up to the minimum allowed by the cost capped system (clearly teams like Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull will need to reduce their budgets)

So I absolutely expect using drivers as a source of funds for the underfunded teams to continue. The only way that will change is if a wealth of sponsors materialize that allows teams to be relatively easily fully funded. If/when that ever happens, then there will be less of a desire to use your drivers as funding and it will be less of a question of "getting the best PAY driver" (right balance between how much they bring vs. their skill as a driver... and how desperate you are as a team for funding!) and more about "getting the best driver you can afford to pay"

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Interesting times ahead. Ocon is letting Alpine sort out contract talks, while Perez will have to wait till August for talks about continuing with Red Bull
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It makes sense to me that Mercedes would want Russell in the second car, but only because he has more potential for the future, and could possibly be their number one driver once Hamilton retires.
I think part of Russell's thinking will be considering how long Hamilton will remain the Mercedes #1. Prior to Monaco, 2021 was the best start to a season of Hamilton's entire career - so it could be a few years yet.

If the Williams increases to be competitive, and Russell is content to develop for a couple more years - he might decide to stay where he is. Particularly as new regulations come into play.

At the moment, there seems to be a bit of a stand-off between drivers and teams - with a lot of drivers sat on contracts that expire this year.

With only half of the grid holding a 2022 contract at the moment, there is a lot to play out I feel.
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What Hamilton does will be key. I wonder how long we have to wait till we know what he is doing next year? I am sure we won’t till just before testing like this year though!
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I don't know the answer, but how many of the current former WDC are in a one year contract situation? I guess it also depends upon how much they are being paid. Alonso is very rusty and/or beyond his sell by date. I am not sure which. Not sure what is going on with Vettel and if he can get his Mojo back or not. Lets see how rest of season works out for Alonso and Vettel. I would hate to see Kimi leave.
Vettel and Alonso are the only WDCs on the grid with 2022 contracts (that we know about in public).

Mercedes seems to be where the big decisions will be made in terms of the 2022 grid. Hamilton, Bottas, Russell and Ocon all have contracts up at the end of 2021. After last years issues - a new Hamilton contract will probably be 2yr + options. Mid-year changes are something Wolff seems to object to, so that doesn't seem to be an option unless necessary.

Another factor that may be playing on Russell's mind is the outcome of the last two Mercedes juniors - Ocon, as mentioned previously, and Wehrlein have both not reached the main F1 team, so he might feel he has to grasp the chance if it presents itself because it might be one-time opportunity.

Could Mercedes also play a holding game to see how Frederik Vesti's results pan out? Or will Guanyu Zhou still have an influence on the 2022 grid?
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Was surprised to hear the Bottas nearly went to Renault for this year, until they eventually chose Alonso instead.
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Is Danny R on a 12 month or multi year deal with macs?

Mind you contracts were made to be cancelled
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Reported as multi-year.

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probably the article making it sound like a bigger deal then it is, but maybe there is some back and forth blame game going on about the cause of Bottas' botched stop at Monaco?

but probably just the media is looking to create cracks and this weekend's gaggle of international press will make Bottas wish he just did an Osaka and stayed home.
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That must be the longest pitstop ever in Grand Prix racing! Longer than the Alfa 1925 Belgian GP pitstop!
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Driver lineup predictions for 2022:

Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton / George Russell
Red Bull: Max Verstappen / Sergio Perez
McLaren: Lando Norris / Daniel Ricciardo
Ferrari: Charles Leclerc / Carlos Sainz
Alpha Tauri: Pierre Gasly / Yuki Tsunoda
Alpine: Esteban Ocon / Fernando Alonso
Aston Martin: Sebastian Vettel / Lance Stroll
Alfa Romeo: Antonio Giovinazzi / Callum Ilott
Williams: Valtteri Bottas / Nicholas Latifi
Haas: Mick Schumacher / Nikita Mazepin

I am expecting the traditional pattern (of recent years) of even-numbered years having only a few changes (like 2016, 2018 and 2020) while odd numbered years have many changes (2017, 2019 and 2021). Although I think Bottas is better than many give him credit for, it looks as though this will be his final season at Mercedes, and there are no better options for him than Williams. I also think Raikkonen will retire. Alfa Romeo are allowed to pick one driver, and I am going to guess that Ferrari will choose Ilott to replace Giovinazzi, but Alfa Romeo will choose to keep Giovinazzi in place of Ilott. All others will remain the same. Alpine is an interesting one, as Bottas and Gasly have been rumoured, while Zhou will also want a promotion if he wins F2, but Ocon is doing well and I can't see them getting rid of Alonso.
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