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Old 14 Oct 2018, 11:10 (Ref:3856782)   #5941
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The reception of the new regulations was as cold as a exgirlfriend's mother hug on the manufacturer side.
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Old 16 Oct 2018, 01:11 (Ref:3857053)   #5942
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It's exactly because I'm a motorsport fan and not a motor marketing entertainment consumer. I have absolutely no interest in watching $25m degenerate spec racers playing pretend.

There's been a few small manufacturers talking about running but honestly none of them actually have the money for it. Just floating it for investors.
Isn't lmp2 multi-million dollar spec racers? Same engine, damn near same chassis (Oreca). I haven't seen anything like that for the new rules. Just guidelines for performance windows.
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Old 16 Oct 2018, 07:41 (Ref:3857082)   #5943
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Trying to compare a $3.5m/year privateer class that has pretty vague equalization between chassis to a $25m/year factory class where all the performance parameters of the car are fixed does not work.

LMP2 has approximately the technology and cost level necessary for its performance requirements and is reflected in large competitive fields, which is an okay tradeoff for more technical freedom.

Meanwhile the hypercar class is 7-8x as much money for less (rather nearly zero) performance differentiation and a fraction of that worth more speed. There's no benefit, only the loss of any chance of decent field sizes, resulting in a terrible competition on every level. It manages to make DPi look like a good idea, and that's just plain spending twice the money on LMP2 cars to make the fields smaller and the racing worse.

In other words spec racing usually trades freedom of technology for more freedom of entrants, while spec racing at this price point and base technology requirement is trading both for guaranteed advertising for a few manufacturers able to play.
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Old 16 Oct 2018, 09:57 (Ref:3857093)   #5944
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But you don't even know what's spec yet and what isn't. I'm not very enthused about what I've heard about these regs so far but there's been nothing to indicate that it's going to be anything like LMP2 spec wise.
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Old 16 Oct 2018, 23:48 (Ref:3857189)   #5945
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FIA ANNOUNCES WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL DECISIONS

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Details of the technical regulations based upon the ‘Hypercar’ concept for 2020-2021 season were approved. An estimation of the required budgets was presented, with a view to allowing both manufacturers and private entries to be competitive within the defined financial framework.
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-announc...l-decisions-11

iirc December was mentioned as a final approval date for the full regulations.
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 01:42 (Ref:3857199)   #5946
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iirc December was mentioned as a final approval date for the full regulations.
That's when they need to do it in order for manufacturers to be able to have cars ready for the 2020-2021 season. If need be they can delay the adoption by another season to flesh them out further.

But if there's a problem they'll in all likelihood finalize enough details that the manufacturers can still get to work and only need to make minor adaptations to account for the later changes - anything that could cause a delay right now is probably not going to be a big enough detail to invalidate a manufacutrer's entire design.
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 01:52 (Ref:3857200)   #5947
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That's when they need to do it in order for manufacturers to be able to have cars ready for the 2020-2021 season. If need be they can delay the adoption by another season to flesh them out further.
December is also when the next FIA WMSC is. After that the next is in March.
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 08:53 (Ref:3857229)   #5948
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Additional measures now proposed in the interests of cost control include:

The adoption of a single tyre supplier, felt to be entirely appropriate with such a tight performance window being applied;
God damn it. Why shitty F1 ideas always have to come all the way down to endurance. Pit-stops, and now single tire supplier ? What's next ? 300 km races ? This is a good idea to reduce costs no ?
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 10:34 (Ref:3857244)   #5949
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20M eur for OEM and 16M for privateers? Really?

An OEM will find a way to spend more. Then a full BoP system will be implemented... if it isn't already in the plans at least regarding the DF cap.
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 10:38 (Ref:3857245)   #5950
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Lets face it, they are just trying to create a somewhat faster GTE class, with all the same BOP measures.

Take a GTE car, lose 300kg, insert a 800bhp engine, fit a massive aero bodykit, done!
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God damn it. Why shitty F1 ideas always have to come all the way down to endurance. Pit-stops, and now single tire supplier ? What's next ? 300 km races ? This is a good idea to reduce costs no ?
What this tyre supplier idea has to do with F1? I can't even name another sports car series besides Super GT with open tyre development (and besides GTLM in IMSA).

This single-supplier tyre idea must be an additional way to close the gap between privateers and OEMs. Currently big issue is that the LMP1 tyres by Michelin are designed for AWD/hybrid use and the front tyres are unsuitable for LMP1-Ls. With all the cars becoming the same in this sense this wouldn't be an issue in the future, but if tyre development remained open, the OEMs could still pay more and get better and exclusive compounds, and with all other performance areas so restricted, it could become even the biggest differentiator.
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 12:06 (Ref:3857256)   #5952
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Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing how different manufacturers handle the engine matter. Limited power, but open engine architecture and apparently no regulation on torque or revs. Engine tuning to find the ideal rev range to use that 700HP effectively is gonna produce a wide variety of engines, and the lower power(and front-drive-only) nature of the hybrid will also bring the amount of torque you can get out of the ICE back into play - that was Audi's big performance advantage when they first brought in the diesel, and the advent of (nearly)unrestricted hybrids brought an end to that advantage. It'll be nice to see that come back.
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 12:14 (Ref:3857260)   #5953
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This from DSC is well worth a read - http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/1...gulations.html
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Old 17 Oct 2018, 12:57 (Ref:3857266)   #5954
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This from DSC is well worth a read - http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/1...gulations.html
lol 3.24-3.25 taget lap time?
hope they're talking about racetrim pace, do they forget that this year lmp2 pole was 3.24.8?

a 700hp+270hp powered car running so slow at le mans?
basically 0 downforce.
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lol 3.24-3.25 taget lap time?
hope they're talking about racetrim pace, do they forget that this year lmp2 pole was 3.24.8?

a 700hp+270hp powered car running so slow at le mans?
basically 0 downforce.
They said in the article that lmp2 will be slowed down and it will be better for the class.
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