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Yes I know; that’s why the FIA changed the Z06’s restrictor size numerous times throughout the season. They started somewhere around 55mm and were choked down to 48 or 49 by season’s end, but FIA/SRO continually added ballast in addition to the smaller restrictor until the car was no longer competitive. Quote:
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the car in 2010 showed too much performance after silverstone racing, this is true and received a decreased restrictor size in next races, but the car remained too much competitive for FIA, so the real cause of increase of weight ballast was because FIA (maybe pressured by porsche) aimed to help prospeed to win team champs as it happened! in 2011 FIA bop remained unfair for corvette, so callaway team focused exclusively on ADAC GT that uses the SRO bop that is different than FIA bop (nobody can say how much close/different is because values are not publicly released). So if you think that the reason of that ridiculous ballast was the engine displacement you're terribly wrong (if the engine was the problem, a decreased restrictor size was an easy solution).
Your insistence talking about unfair bop caused by LS7 and your idea that SRO bop is the same of FIA, can be opinionable for the others, but for me is just sign of motorsport ignorance. Thank you Watson. |
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Bulletin Nr. 10 (28.09.2010) If you look you will notice the Vette has the same restrictor size but the ballast is 50KG instead of 80KG. Now who is motorsport ignorant? |
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27 Mar 2012, 19:06 (Ref:3049592) | #55 | ||
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However coming back to the main issue, if you still think that extra ballast weight was given because the engine (is a nonsense however, because callaway corvette used the LS7 since the creation of GT3 class and only in 2010 was penalized....) i can't say more that you're wrong, for sure i won't lose my sleep tonight if you still think that. |
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27 Mar 2012, 19:45 (Ref:3049614) | #57 | |
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Infact is just a speculation of yours that sincerly i don't care so much, you have written your opinions, so i did too, in my opinion is useless to continue with these off-topic replies if each of us will remain with own opinions.
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27 Mar 2012, 19:52 (Ref:3049618) | #58 | |
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Sorry to interrupt your arguing, but wanted to tell my opinion on the Corvette and BoP in general.
First, GT Masters follows FIA GT3 BoP. Blancpain on the other hand, is handling their own BoP. BES BoP test was in Paul Ricard last week, after FIA/ADAC tests had already been done. For sure there are similarities with FIA (as there should be when we speak about the same cars...), but there are also clear differences, at least there was in 2011. Second, there are always people supporting passionately the Vettes and it might be true that their BoP in the end of 2010 was too harsh, but it is also true that the car was much too fast in the beginning of that season. If you let some car win, some might say with unfair performance advantage, then I don't see a big problem if few races later that car would be "overly" limited. Problem started when they let the Vettes run a too fast configuration in the beginning making all the other teams look stupid. In any case, they took the European title with the early season success. Of course, not to "kill" the car, they could have adjusted it a bit for 2011. |
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beyond corvette issue i want to clearize a thing: FIA in last years organized the paul ricard test to make (a provisional sometimes) the BOP for FIA GT1 and FIA GT3 cars. Well, until 2011 SRO in some never specified way did a own version of BOP that was used as referment for all other SRO promoted not-FIA competition (FFSA GT, Itaipava GT, ADAC GT masters, Blancpain etc...). Well as said this BOP is taken as reference, but the national organizations that run these championships (ADAC in germany, the association who run itaipava GT that now i don't remember the name in brazil etc...) can choise to litteraly follow this BoP or to apply it with some value modification (ex. in itaipava GT each car has a different full season extra weight ballast according to the ranking of drivers). It seems that ADAC orientation is to follow a simil FIA GT3 bop (the same will happen for GT3 cars in GT300 this year).
Just to do a pratical example, in brazil the viper comp coupè because of a generous bop is still a competitive car, able to be faster than gallardo LP600+ in some races! a thing like that in european champs is pure fantasy |
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Just found a provisional entry list for this weekend : http://www.actumecanique.fr/IMG/pdf/...gages_GT3_.pdf
A bit dissapointing, only 17 cars... |
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At least it makes the GT3... oh sorry GT1 grid look slightly less unimpressive. But just slightly.
It wasn't a big surprise that they didn't integrate the GT3 Europe grid with GT3 World, it would've been far too logical thing to happen. I guess they don't wanna confuse the fans that may or may not be still sticking around |
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Today's FIA list has only 14 cars...
http://private.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/vchp/302/$FILE/FIA%20GT3%20Entry%20List_Nogaro.pdf |
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Sprints Rules have more maket, endurance races allways have the BES and wec. Or abolish fia GT3 and make BES AM champion entry go to FIA GT.
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shame there will be no Camaro.
The Valmon team is the one managing the Vantage in GT World, a Ratel team. |
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And a couple of those cars are only doing Nogaro if the reports from France are correct.
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Well no surprise, SR has cannibalized that series with the addition of Blancpain.
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In fairness, given the choice two years ago between "shall we keep GT3 as it is or shall we extend the two one-hour races on random circuits into three hour races on classic circuits and one historic 24 hour race at Spa", I know which I'd have chosen.
The real travesty for me is that the entries have clearly been shifted to the World GT category where possible and this series abandoned as a result. My fear is mandatory driver classifications in the BES (/FIA GT as I think I'm going to start calling it) if there's no mandated Pro-Am GT3 cup. |
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Thanks to EI, we've got the full entry list: http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-10104.html
Heico Gravity-Charouz Team (Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3): Dominik Baumann/Maximilian Buhk Mika Vähämäki/Max Nilsson Russian Bear Motorsport (Ferrari 458 Italia): Sergey Ryabov/Miguel Toril Kirill Ladygin/Vyacheslav Maleev Valmon Racing Russia Team (Aston Martin DBRS9): Tom Kimber-Smith/Natalia Freidina Lexury Racing (Ferrari 458 Italia): David Halliday/Anthony Baltoise Frank Montecalvo/Gunnar Jeannette rhino's Leipert Motorsport (Lamborghini Gallardo LP600): Jesse Laine/Gilles Vannelet Filip Sladecka/Gerhard Tweraser Team Novadriver (Audi R8 LMS): Cesar Campanico/Ni Amorim Sainteloc Racing (Audi R8 LMS): Jerome Demay/Dino Lunardi Gregory Guilvert/Marc Sourd AF Corse (Ferrari 458 Italia): Gaetano Ardagna/Giuseppe Giro Stefano Gai/Michael Lyons Last edited by kurski; 5 Apr 2012 at 06:54. |
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