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Old 28 Dec 2018, 15:19 (Ref:3872816)   #1
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Old 29 Dec 2018, 09:57 (Ref:3872974)   #2
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Is the Ford Escort race returning?
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Is the Ford Escort race returning?
It’s on the schedule (for two short races) if there’s enough support.
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From the HSCC....

"Following the success of our Ford Escort race at our Brands Indy race meeting last year we, as promised, have put another opportunity for you to race at our meeting on 21st September."

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https://hscc.org.uk/wp-content/uploa...rands-Indy.pdf

Some good, some not so good.

Only 8 Escorts which is a little disappointing.
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 09:13 (Ref:3929370)   #6
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Well that didn’t go to plan....

Ten Escorts in qually, down to 9 after the Tom Walkinshaw tribute RS2000 dropped out.

Black Zakspeed Mk2 lost it at Paddock on opening lap taking out another Mk1 and blocking the track at the bottom of Paddock leaving Daniel nowhere to go.

Not sure if shell is fixable, will find out later in the week, main thing is Daniel’s ok just a bit stiff this morning
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Well that didn’t go to plan....

Ten Escorts in qually, down to 9 after the Tom Walkinshaw tribute RS2000 dropped out.

Black Zakspeed Mk2 lost it at Paddock on opening lap taking out another Mk1 and blocking the track at the bottom of Paddock leaving Daniel nowhere to go.

Not sure if shell is fixable, will find out later in the week, main thing is Daniel’s ok just a bit stiff this morning
Thank you - hopefully both car & driver will soon be OK.
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Thanks John, I think the Hans saved him from injury, as he has a stiff neck this morning.

As for the shell, that may be a different story, but it’s a genuine Mexico, so we are going to try to save it.
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Great shame for the Escorts, pretty frightening to watch from the top of paddock watching them all lock up behind the errant black car. Could have been a lot worse for everyone involved.
Some great racing from the FFords, 2000's, road sports and the touring cars in beautiful autumn sunshine at Brands. Bob Bullen had a good result in his Anglia seeing off a couple of Cortinas to get on the podium in their first race and Andrew Park made a terrific start from 6th on the grid in the FF2000's, gaining 3 places by Druids and fighting with Nelson Rowe for the lead and eventual win. Will Leverett in the beautiful Elan was pretty impressive to get that win from the back of the grid in their 2nd race.
In never fails to amaze me that these meetings are so under supported by spectators given the quality fields and good, fair racing, many thanks to the HSCC and all involved for some superb track action. I was torn between the HSCC at Brands and the CSCC meeting at Thruxton but my season ticket at BH made the decision for me.

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Old 22 Sep 2019, 11:43 (Ref:3929397)   #11
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The competition between circuits/meetings or the fact that there is good, clean racing as opposed to the hip and shoulder of the BTCC?
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The competition between circuits/meetings or the fact that there is good, clean racing as opposed to the hip and shoulder of the BTCC?
No I meant the clash of historic and historic-esque racing, comparatively close together.

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Great shame for the Escorts, pretty frightening to watch from the top of paddock watching them all lock up behind the errant black car. Could have been a lot worse for everyone involved.
Some great racing from the FFords, 2000's, road sports and the touring cars in beautiful autumn sunshine at Brands. Bob Bullen had a good result in his Anglia seeing off a couple of Cortinas to get on the podium in their first race and Andrew Park made a terrific start from 6th on the grid in the FF2000's, gaining 3 places by Druids and fighting with Nelson Rowe for the lead and eventual win. Will Leverett in the beautiful Elan was pretty impressive to get that win from the back of the grid in their 2nd race.
In never fails to amaze me that these meetings are so under supported by spectators given the quality fields and good, fair racing, many thanks to the HSCC and all involved for some superb track action. I was torn between the HSCC at Brands and the CSCC meeting at Thruxton but my season ticket at BH made the decision for me.
We often have this conversation. When I first raced at brands in the 70's and Gordon I suspect the whole of the banking was full of spectators cars.I blame Sunday shopping.
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We often have this conversation. When I first raced at brands in the 70's and Gordon I suspect the whole of the banking was full of spectators cars.I blame Sunday shopping.
Yes you're right and I have made similar comments before, actually for once there was a good crowd in the paddock hill grandstand possibly drawn by the promise of the late summer sunshine but only a few sparse spectators scattered around the circuit and on South Bank.
I was at Castle Combe the weekend before for their club finals day and as usual there was a strong supportive audience right round the circuit in contrast to the mediocre turnout for most club meetings at Brands, maybe your right - they all go to Bluewater or some such place!
I know that I'm diehard race fan in attending the less popular meetings but the general public seem totally oblivious to anything except F1 or ridiculously overpriced pseudo historic events with "names" behind the wheel.
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We often have this conversation. When I first raced at brands in the 70's and Gordon I suspect the whole of the banking was full of spectators cars.I blame Sunday shopping.

Yes, shopping has taken it's toll but, it the plethora of other activities that are now permitted on a Sunday. There's football, cinemas and pubs that are open all day, and so may other things that we now take for granted.

That was one of the things that was most noticeable to me when I went to live in Spain, apart from the language of course. There, where I resided - different autonomous regions do have their own regulations on this, just as they do on a number of things such as their equivalent of the UK's MOT and also on state provision of health care - most shops closed at lunchtime on Saturday and only re-opened on Monday morning. After a few years this was relaxed, and this meant that most shops remained open the whole weekend. However, the regional government re-introduced restricted opening days last year, and now shops that are in tourist areas are permitted to open on 13, I think it is, Sundays in the peak tourist times.
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Yes, shopping has taken it's toll but, it the plethora of other activities that are now permitted on a Sunday. There's football, cinemas and pubs that are open all day, and so may other things that we now take for granted.

That was one of the things that was most noticeable to me when I went to live in Spain, apart from the language of course. There, where I resided - different autonomous regions do have their own regulations on this, just as they do on a number of things such as their equivalent of the UK's MOT and also on state provision of health care - most shops closed at lunchtime on Saturday and only re-opened on Monday morning. After a few years this was relaxed, and this meant that most shops remained open the whole weekend. However, the regional government re-introduced restricted opening days last year, and now shops that are in tourist areas are permitted to open on 13, I think it is, Sundays in the peak tourist times.
Bl..dy good idea, should be implemented over here and give the staff some time off with their families.
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Bl..dy good idea, should be implemented over here and give the staff some time off with their families.

I think that most retailers stopped making it compulsory to work on Sundays some time ago. Many staff actually prefer to work on Sundays because the religious observance days might be on a Friday or Saturday, amongst other reasons.

In fact, my granddaughter for the last three years whilst finishing her senior school has been working behind the counter at a local Betty's Tea Shop. This has boosted her bank balance enabling her to take her first holiday, in Barcelona, without her parents having to dip in their pockets. She has just settled into her halls of residence at university, and will return to Betty's in her holidays and add weekends when she is at home.

So, some people actually want to work weekends.
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I think that most retailers stopped making it compulsory to work on Sundays some time ago. Many staff actually prefer to work on Sundays because the religious observance days might be on a Friday or Saturday, amongst other reasons.

In fact, my granddaughter for the last three years whilst finishing her senior school has been working behind the counter at a local Betty's Tea Shop. This has boosted her bank balance enabling her to take her first holiday, in Barcelona, without her parents having to dip in their pockets. She has just settled into her halls of residence at university, and will return to Betty's in her holidays and add weekends when she is at home.

So, some people actually want to work weekends.
Point taken, how the world has changed.
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Thanks John, I think the Hans saved him from injury, as he has a stiff neck this morning.

As for the shell, that may be a different story, but it’s a genuine Mexico, so we are going to try to save it.
I was a fan of the hams device before they became compulsory.

As for the shell, hope it is fixable. Is it a Mk1 or 2? There are “new” Mk2 shells available from the Higgins Brothers in Ireland.
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Point taken, how the world has changed.

Have they actually? My sons, now in their mid 40s, both worked weekends, one in a nearby Sainsbury's on their checkouts, whilst the other worked as a clerk in the London office of a Japanese travel company who brought over plane loads of Japanese tourists. This meant that the office had to be manned 24/7 to deal with both changes in circumstances as well as emergencies. They also worked at their respective jobs whilst on holiday from school and after they went to universities.

And going back to the sixties, I had a full time, 5 1/2 day job plus I worked evenings and weekends in a pub plus some hours in a restaurant and bistro owned by some friends.

I am sure that plenty of others will have similar tales.
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I was a fan of the hams device before they became compulsory.

As for the shell, hope it is fixable. Is it a Mk1 or 2? There are “new” Mk2 shells available from the Higgins Brothers in Ireland.
Same here, we took advantage of the CSCC’s offer a few years ago before they became compulsory as you only have one neck.

It’s a Mk1 Mexico, we are really hoping the shell can be saved but will contact Higgins Brothers if need be, thanks for the heads up.
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Back to the race meeting attendance subject I think that in addition to the 'other distractions' already mentioned I think there is also the fact that in general, we are all just so much busier nowadays too. Most couples now both work full time in order to sustain the lifestyle we've been encouraged by advertisers that is 'normal' which means that all of the other incidental stuff (including on occasions, relaxation) has to be packed into the only two days that we have off each week, so this too leaves less spare time for the casual race fan to pop along to a meeting if he or she fancies it.
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Back to the race meeting attendance subject I think that in addition to the 'other distractions' already mentioned I think there is also the fact that in general, we are all just so much busier nowadays too. Most couples now both work full time in order to sustain the lifestyle we've been encouraged by advertisers that is 'normal' which means that all of the other incidental stuff (including on occasions, relaxation) has to be packed into the only two days that we have off each week, so this too leaves less spare time for the casual race fan to pop along to a meeting if he or she fancies it.
And of course if one did fancy watching some racing back in the day the TV was a rather random provider of certain events that the BBC (usually the BBC) decided to cover because their Outside Broadcast units were available that weekend. Probably no horse racing for example. And quality was not great compared to what we see today.

So one pretty much had to go to the meeting to see any action and it was a good excuse for a day out or, for those with cars and bikes, a reason to take a drive rather than simply "going for a drive".

These days one can find worldwide coverage of various types of motor sport, often with a lot of interesting data display added, without the aggravation of using the roads, the price of fuel, the price of entry and the risk of whatever deprivations the weather might throw at you.

As a parallel one might consider the decline of the public house. It seems there is a much reduced need to places to 'socialise' these days.

Mind you having visited such an establishment on Saturday - partly to celebrate the successful return of a daughter and her family on a Thomas Cook flight on Saturday afternoon - and re-discovered the price of drinks these days it is interesting to compare the relative value of a small round of drinks to the cost of a day at a race meeting (entry only - no drinks or food to be bought on site) and attempt to assess which offers the best value and entertainment.
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