Baubles Picture Parade. - Page 204

rbs · 14 Oct 2021, 12:30 (Ref:4078426)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Thanks Bob.... I got the Bugattis and the Astons ERA's and things but the Cognac Special I did not have a clue. Talbots I am getting better with as they feature a bit here. Im getting better at them all generally now though. Sandown Historics in a few weeks time so I will be making a point of looking closely at the early machinery then, camera in hand.
Ten hours ahead here so not bedtime yet, and I tend to be a night owl these days. Dont have dinner much before 10. Anyway I digress. Back to pictures. I'll dig out some F5000's for you

Oh and love the Maserati. (250F?)

Chris, re the Cognac Special, not sure when it was built or who built it but it uses a GN Chassis with an AC engine all ffrom the 1920's. I remember Ron Footitt winning many VSCC races in the 1970's.
Looking forward to seeing your F5000 pictures particularly the more unusal ones ie Begg and Matich. We do have a McRae GM entered at Silverstone this weekend.
20F's were great looking cars then and now.

bauble · 14 Oct 2021, 13:01 (Ref:4078428)

What a great name for a car! Unfortunately though Cognac’s nomenclature has no direct link to the French appellation. It is an acronym composed from the maker’s name – Mr S. A. Cohen, the fact that it had a GN chassis and an AC engine. All together that gives CO-GN-AC!
The car dates from 1925 and has a 1991cc engine. It has been raced all its life, most notably by Ron Foottit. Now in the hands of Tony Lees.

morninggents · 14 Oct 2021, 13:19 (Ref:4078429)

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Originally Posted by bauble

Where were you spectating? We might have been rubbing shoulders?

I was at Copse.

Bottom end of the circuit between Stowe and Club. Don't remember too much about it as I wasn't feeling too good and we went to Silverstone on our way down to London to see my sister and then on to Dorset where I spent most of the holiday in hospital at Poole with pneumonia.

S griffin · 14 Oct 2021, 18:56 (Ref:4078490)

Now there’s a great spectating spot at Silverstone, whatever the era. Hope you got through the weekend alright and your illness didn’t get you too down

E.B · 14 Oct 2021, 21:35 (Ref:4078510)

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Originally Posted by bauble

What a great name for a car! Unfortunately though Cognac’s nomenclature has no direct link to the French appellation. It is an acronym composed from the maker’s name – Mr S. A. Cohen, the fact that it had a GN chassis and an AC engine. All together that gives CO-GN-AC!
The car dates from 1925 and has a 1991cc engine. It has been raced all its life, most notably by Ron Foottit. Now in the hands of Tony Lees.

Love the little leather armrests! A bit lacking in rollover protection, but at least a padded spot for your arms.... priorities!

Thanks Bob.... I now feel edumacated.

Great to see it has been used hard all its nigh on 100 year life

bauble · 15 Oct 2021, 06:41 (Ref:4078543)

What does today bring?

bauble · 15 Oct 2021, 06:44 (Ref:4078544)

These for one!

bauble · 15 Oct 2021, 07:07 (Ref:4078546)

Did someone mention 1950's Ferraris? (Well they did race the original Lancia first.)

E.B · 15 Oct 2021, 08:02 (Ref:4078549)

I have always loved the D50 with the sidepods, be it called Lancia or Ferrari, dependant on year.

rbs · 15 Oct 2021, 09:38 (Ref:4078555)

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Originally Posted by bauble

Did someone mention 1950's Ferraris? (Well they did race the original Lancia first.)

Do not think so Bob Vittorio designed it for Lancia and they used them in 54 & 55. Ferraari did enter some late in 55 but 6 was the 1st season as a Ferrari. Castelotti was one that was entered in a Ferrari D50 at Monza but he finished 3rd in a Ferrari 555.

bauble · 15 Oct 2021, 10:28 (Ref:4078557)

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Originally Posted by rbs

Do not think so Bob Vittorio designed it for Lancia and they used them in 54 & 55. Ferraari did enter some late in 55 but 6 was the 1st season as a Ferrari. Castelotti was one that was entered in a Ferrari D50 at Monza but he finished 3rd in a Ferrari 555.

I was worried about you! I do not remember Ferrari actually racing a 'pure' Lancia, but had an idea they had, but happy to be put right, we would not want to lead EB astray

S griffin · 15 Oct 2021, 10:34 (Ref:4078558)

It's ok, memories can play tricks on you. Definitely Ferrari took over the Lancias when the Lancia team pulled out

VIVA GT · 15 Oct 2021, 12:21 (Ref:4078583)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

It's ok, memories can play tricks on you. Definitely Ferrari took over the Lancias when the Lancia team pulled out

Wasn't Enzo running the Lancia team before setting up on his own? I'm sure there have been 'catch you out' pictures in a quiz asking for the make of the racing car pictured (showing a Lancia with the Prancing Horse on the side)?

bauble · 15 Oct 2021, 13:37 (Ref:4078591)

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Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Wasn't Enzo running the Lancia team before setting up on his own? I'm sure there have been 'catch you out' pictures in a quiz asking for the make of the racing car pictured (showing a Lancia with the Prancing Horse on the side)?

I am pretty sure that Ferrari had nothing to do with Lancia prior to their collapse, I seem to remember that the Italian government had a hand in the take over.
At the time Ferrari tried a number of variations mixing engines and chassis to try and fine the best package.

E.B · 15 Oct 2021, 14:19 (Ref:4078597)

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Originally Posted by bauble

I am pretty sure that Ferrari had nothing to do with Lancia prior to their collapse, I seem to remember that the Italian government had a hand in the take over.
At the time Ferrari tried a number of variations mixing engines and chassis to try and fine the best package.

And Fiat had a hand in brokering the deal.

In 1955 AFAIK they were entered by Scuderia Lancia for all but the Italian race where they were entered as Lancia DS50s (with Lancia engines) but with Scuderia Ferrari as the entrant. I believe that is the first race they ran the DS50 with the Ferrari logo. Monza that year is also I think the first time they ran Englebert tyres.... Lancia ran them on Pirelli

Re the engines I have seen pics of them in 1955 with Lancia on the cam covers,
From the start of 1956 they were entered as Ferraris with Ferrari engines by Scuderia Ferrari.

And finally @Griff, I think you will find Vittorio Jano designed the D50 for Lancia.... he is also credited as the designer of the Ferrari D50. He moved to Ferrari from Lancia as part of the deal.

Edit, just re read Griff's post and realised I got confused at the "Bob Vittorio" as the designer knowing it was Jano. I then realised the Bob was actually 'our' Bob and the Vittorio..... I must admit I had never heard of a Bob Vittorio designer in F1!

E.B · 15 Oct 2021, 14:56 (Ref:4078600)

Forgot to add that in fact at Monza 1955 the Lancia D50's were withdrawn by Ferrari after qualifying due to tyre fears on the banking and they never actually started the race.

midgetman · 16 Oct 2021, 08:13 (Ref:4078682)

I'm down at the local sprint today and in among the usual modified road car hordes are some real gems

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bauble · 16 Oct 2021, 08:36 (Ref:4078683)

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Originally Posted by midgetman

I'm down at the local sprint today and in among the usual modified road car hordes are some real gems

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So why did you not take pictures of the 'Gems'?

midgetman · 16 Oct 2021, 08:56 (Ref:4078684)

I put these up because they're are a thing of beauty not the odd things you insist on posting. The Osella is being driven by ex-F1 driver Mike Wilds.

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E.B · 16 Oct 2021, 09:17 (Ref:4078685)

The Osella Abarth certainly is a thing of beauty Max..... An Osella PA2 from 1974 in the 2 litre European Sports Car Championship. Escuderia Montjuic had two PA2's one BMW powered and the other Osella. The Osella powered one was likely driven by Jorge de Bagration, a man of some wealth who competed in anything from motorcycles, rallying (Spanish Champion in the seventies) through to almost starting a couple of Spanish GP's. (He was/is on the entry list in 1968 and 1974, in a Lola and Surtees respectively, and I know 1974 was a paperwork bungle that made him a DNS).
Blah blah blah, a fabulous looking car. Bet it sounds sweet too.

bauble · 16 Oct 2021, 10:49 (Ref:4078687)

A thing of beauty? That oddella looks as if an elephant sat on it. I know they say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder', so I suppose you have very funny eyes.

E.B · 16 Oct 2021, 10:55 (Ref:4078689)

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Originally Posted by bauble

A thing of beauty? That oddella looks as if an elephant sat on it. I know they say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder', so I suppose you have very funny eyes.

Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes is what I was told.

bauble · 16 Oct 2021, 10:56 (Ref:4078690)

I must apologise to all of our viewers for the gross invasion of this hallowed space by certain Philistines. To make amends I give you these treasures;

S griffin · 16 Oct 2021, 12:05 (Ref:4078706)

That's ok, we always appreciate your photos Baub. We all love the historics

midgetman · 16 Oct 2021, 14:12 (Ref:4078721)

The Osella has Bagration on the side so that's the car.

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