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Old 9 Oct 2019, 21:48 (Ref:3932993)   #5126
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So, any more senior tenthers remember F1 driver Leslie Marr? Now 97 years old, and later in life a professional artist.....

Gather that there’s a docu in the making on F1 history, and he’s about the oldest living driver.

http://www.historicracing.com/driver...?driverID=7491
Funnily enough I was researching info about oldest surviving GP drivers only recently and (Sir) Leslie Marr is right up there, with only Kenneth McAlpine older. KM has just turned 99.

From my research (I should have asked Bob!) Sir Leslie had 2 (championship) Grand Prix to his name, firstly the 1954 British GP at Silverstone where he finished 13th in a Connaught A Lea Francis.

In 1955, Marr was driving the Connaught model B Aalta for the British Grand Prix at Aintree. He retired with brake failure.

These are his only two Formula One appearances. He also did 22 non championship GPs from 1952-1955

He continued to race in other categories, including third place at the Lady Wigram Trophy in Christchurch New Zealand..

I look forward to seeing the doco when it airs. I love stuff like that.

If anyone is interested the surviving Championship GP Nonagenarians:

1. Kenneth McAlpine, 99 y.o (British)
2. Sir Leslie Marr 97 years old (British)
3. Ken Kavanagh, 95 years old (Australian)
4. Hermano da Silva Ramos 92 years old (will be 93 this year) (French Brazilian.)
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Old 9 Oct 2019, 22:29 (Ref:3933000)   #5127
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Another championship leaves the BRSCC. Last year it was the F1000 (Formula Jedi) championship that went to 750 mc.

Would interesting to know why rather than whats stated. Not sure what grids were like but they last year combined with the Porsche Championship I think on occassion.

I think it is pretty much what is generally known - 750 race prices are cheaper, membership of 750 is cheaper than BRSCC, and 750 are a well known and highly regarded organisation. Alfa races have been low on entries this year, but there were certainly issues about merging with a handful or so of Porsche entries, particularly when BRSCC insisted (as at Croft) on the Porsches being set off first - despite many of the Alfas being quicker in qualy.....
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I think it is pretty much what is generally known - 750 race prices are cheaper, membership of 750 is cheaper than BRSCC, and 750 are a well known and highly regarded organisation. Alfa races have been low on entries this year, but there were certainly issues about merging with a handful or so of Porsche entries, particularly when BRSCC insisted (as at Croft) on the Porsches being set off first - despite many of the Alfas being quicker in qualy.....
Surprised that 750 has the room on its calendar, and at its meetings, for any more series! Good luck to them.
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Not me , current situation is 30 miles away fromEstoril . Another McDonalds for me tonight . What a life 😀
Don’t they have any other food in Spain and Portugal?
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I feel the same Andy, in fact being on here has just furthered my ruination (aided considerably by certain individuals).
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Old 10 Oct 2019, 06:47 (Ref:3933057)   #5134
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I remember a "restaurant ouvrier" serving vey good grilled cockerels located in Estoril. Affordable and enjoyable. No pizza unfortunately!
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I remember a "restaurant ouvrier" serving vey good grilled cockerels located in Estoril. Affordable and enjoyable. No pizza unfortunately!
Some great eateries in Cascais just along from Estoril and IIRC not expensive.
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Some great eateries in Cascais just along from Estoril and IIRC not expensive.
Hang on Chaps, we get quite enough cooking programs on BBC.
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I feel the same Andy, in fact being on here has just furthered my ruination (aided considerably by certain individuals).
Far from being ruined here, I have found my life has blossomed since joining Tenths, well once I stopped posting on the F1 forum.

Without the Historic section I would never come across characters like Mike H, Viva, Lanky, Andy, Brands, Peter, etc., etc.

Imagine how dull life would be without their contributions, and the wisdom of Mike Bell, the travelogues of Delta, RBS's, knowledge of old things, and that is not even mentioning Gerry Mohammed and EB!

Maybe it is because I never joined the Navy.


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Right Peter, Cascais rather than Estoril which is a kind of Deauville or Brighton. Almost same location but ambiance and pricing are "slightly" different!
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I recall the Portuguese GP of 1988 when we stayed in a hotel on the beach, well on the side of the rail line by the beach. There were tunnels from the hotel to get to said swimming area. It was full of journos and one evening in the bar, we got the scoop on Mansell's move to Ferrari, way before it appeared in the mags. I guess it was a bit like a live version of Twitter.
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I thought Mansell’s move to Ferrari was announced at the 88 British GP?
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Trying to think now. IIRC he said he was giving up not moving to Ferrari. He also did this in 1990 before moving back to Team Willy.
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Trying to think now. IIRC he said he was giving up not moving to Ferrari. He also did this in 1990 before moving back to Team Willy.

So the way the scoops worked and were remembered were about as accurate, reliable and accountable then as Twitter is now?

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I think that was my point.
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I see the suggestion from Prof Dame Sally Davies that eating should be banned on commuter trains and buses has been twisted by most of the media to ALL public transport. Surely there’s a difference between kids snacking on the school bus to a business person travelling from London to Edinburgh by train......

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Surprised that 750 has the room on its calendar, and at its meetings, for any more series! Good luck to them.

They do seem to have a lot of activity around and about.



Maybe they have plans for further expansion that would be best funded by adding a few more series that are already up and running?


I noticed that several of their meetings this year had live streaming broadcasts and what looked like full length (in racing terms) recordings available on line. A sort of lower cost version of Goodwood media!


That could be attractive as a bait for whatever new series they wish to attract. (Assuming it continues in the future ...)
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They do seem to have a lot of activity around and about.
Maybe they have plans for further expansion that would be best funded by adding a few more series that are already up and running?
I noticed that several of their meetings this year had live streaming broadcasts and what looked like full length (in racing terms) recordings available on line. A sort of lower cost version of Goodwood media!
That could be attractive as a bait for whatever new series they wish to attract. (Assuming it continues in the future ...)
They run a lot of meetings and that requires time and resources. Not sure how many people they employ but when I have popped in to their office there are usually about 5 people about and i know there is a Committee behind that.
When i suggested to CSCC that we should expand the number of meetings to split the Mag 7 and Future Classic grids (full to busting) and help cover some of the guest series we have now had to put off such as the Porsche Club, Ferraris and Morgans i was told that we were at capacity for the staff and volunteer workload and didnt want to diminish quality of service to members. Fair enough.
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Right Peter, Cascais rather than Estoril which is a kind of Deauville or Brighton. Almost same location but ambiance and pricing are "slightly" different!
I think you will find the ambience of just about anywhere is better than Brighton these days, Gerard!
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Well lets say many things are improved, digital grapevine works well. Just got this info from Chinese whispers… No worry, will keep you informed!
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I recall the Portuguese GP of 1988 when we stayed in a hotel on the beach, well on the side of the rail line by the beach. There were tunnels from the hotel to get to said swimming area. It was full of journos and one evening in the bar, we got the scoop on Mansell's move to Ferrari, way before it appeared in the mags. I guess it was a bit like a live version of Twitter.
I was there in 1989 when Mansell reversed in the pit lane and later collided with Senna. We drove along the coast and stopped for a few days in the Algarve before continuing on the to Spanish GP at Jerez - OMG! seems like a lifetime away
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