[Official] Singapore Grand Prix - Round 15 of 21 - Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[TrapezeArtist]

Perez v Sirotkin. This was one of the most blatant "professional fouls" I have ever seen in F1. Vettel on Hamilton and a couple of Maldonado incidents are the only others that spring to mind.

Senna at Suzuka turned out to be much the same but eventually we found out it was pre-meditated. Prost on Senna the year before looked like "If we both crash, I'm champion, and anyway the speed is low and no-one will get hurt".

The Schumacher Chop was never quite in the same league as it was intended to intimidate rather than to deliberately hit another car.

Personally I think the stewards played very safe with the drive-through. I suspect they didn't want to come down hard and then find afterwards that there was some mitigating factor. On the other hand, it should still be open to the FIA to impose a more appropriate penalty; one race ban, three race ban, one season ban? It really is totally unacceptable to lose your temper (we could hear that on team radio well before the incident) and drive into another car. It needs to be stamped on. Remind me someone: what was the penalty for Crashgate?

[TrapezeArtist]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Not according to Pirelli, who said during the broadcast that Vettels tyre wouldn't be able to go the distance Ferrari asked it to.

Does raise another point about teams ignoring the Pirelli guidelines again. If you do that, you shouldn't be allowed to complain about any issue you have.

But presumably Pirelli are assuming that both tyres are being driven to their limit. I could make the hyper-softs last a complete race distance, but the road closure order probably wouldn't be long enough.

[TrapezeArtist]

Vettel looked a broken man after the race. Even allowing for the exhaustion and dehydration, I think he's given up.

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Vettel looked a broken man after the race. Even allowing for the exhaustion and dehydration, I think he's given up.

I agree. And I think Hamilton and Mercedes deserve much of the credit for this. Driver and team may not be to everyone's personal taste, but the unrelenting brilliance of both is up there with the best we have ever seen in F1.

A driver who seems not to make mistakes and a team seemingly capable of answering any technical challenge puts rivals under the most extreme pressure. And Ferrari/Vettel have - with the caveat that there are 6 races to go - not proven able to cope.

[S griffin]

Seems no one could touch Lewis, although Max drove a brilliant race and almost took the lead in traffic. I really don't know what people expected from Grosjean, it may say in the rules he's supposed to give way, but if he's in a battle, there should be a bit of leeway. After all the onus in on the leading car to get past the slower car

Checo's racecraft seemed a bit suspect today, closing the door too early as he put it was a bad piece of driving and rightly he got a penalty for that. Sirotkin though what a defence though.

And Fred, shows what a great driver he still is

[steve_r]

Perez had a Haas rejoining the circuit on his inside a second or two before the collision with his teammate. I wonder whether this was a factor in diverting his attention and resulting in him allegedly being unaware of his teammate on the outside? Of course the problem with this argument is that these two have run each other off the track and into walls on numerous occasions before.

His chop on Sirotkin was absolutely appalling - and I can think of no excuses whatsoever. Why no black flag?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Vettel looked a broken man after the race. Even allowing for the exhaustion and dehydration, I think he's given up.

He did. I suppose Ferrari and Vettel's long term goal will be to either emulate Schumacher or go one better.

[Lancsbreaker]

Mod action: Original post in the rate the race thread https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...45#post3851045
It started a debate similar to that happening in the race discussion thread. Posts moved.


Perez was simply unacceptable - the nudge to his team-mate "may" have been simply careless, although I'm not convinced - the attack on Sirotkin was almost homicidal. I'd have ripped Perez's licence up on the spot - a drive-through was nowhere near enough penalty.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

Surely that's not enough, he should have been executed on the spot for his heinous crimes. After being publicly displayed on a cross so his fellow drivers can throw eggs and rotten fruit at him.

[Lancsbreaker]

Nothing to add to the comments on Ferrari/Vettel failures.



Perez deserves to have his licence ripped up - he's either incompetent or incapable of handling his emotions, neither of which is acceptable in a F1 car.



Anyone else notice that Danny Ric kept popping in a 1.43 every so often, then slowing again? Was that a tyre issue or was he just getting bored and needed to have a play every now and then?

[chillibowl]

no doubt it deserved a harsher penalty, even a black flag after his second piece of contact.

that said and not trying to defend Perez here but i didnt really see either incident as particularity violent so im inclined to give Perez some benefit of the doubt in that he was just trying to be a 'hard' racer.

more a case of someone trying to be a tough guy and not really having the skill to pull it off effectively...which i suppose isnt great but its not evil either.

imo, just a natural by product of competition really.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Anyone else notice that Danny Ric kept popping in a 1.43 every so often, then slowing again? Was that a tyre issue or was he just getting bored and needed to have a play every now and then?

i didnt use the live timing so cant comment on that per say (although i would guess just saving his engine), but a side question...i tried the living timing out earlier this year and it didnt show the actual sector times (just the colour coded lines).

when did this change? does one have to buy a subscription to see the sector times now?

if thats the case thats rather cheap of FOM.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Surely that's not enough, he should have been executed on the spot for his heinous crimes. After being publicly displayed on a cross so his fellow drivers can throw eggs and rotten fruit at him.

****.

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

i didnt use the live timing so cant comment on that per say (although i would guess just saving his engine), but a side question...i tried the living timing out earlier this year and it didnt show the actual sector times (just the colour coded lines).

when did this change? does one have to buy a subscription to see the sector times now?

if thats the case thats rather cheap of FOM.

I only see the sector colours too - but I don't pay a subscription either.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Surely that's not enough, he should have been executed on the spot for his heinous crimes. After being publicly displayed on a cross so his fellow drivers can throw eggs and rotten fruit at him.

Actually yes. Maybe not literally, but, yes.
I know, banish him to NASCAR where that sort of behaviour is rewarded.

[Akrapovic]

Pretty sure they stuck that information behind a paywall. Third party timing systems have all been given cease & desist notices.

[TrapezeArtist]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Checo's racecraft seemed a bit suspect today,

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Surely that's not enough, he should have been executed on the spot for his heinous crimes. After being publicly displayed on a cross so his fellow drivers can throw eggs and rotten fruit at him.

The eggs and rotten fruit I consider to be a thoroughly excellent idea which would really have livened up the post-race analysis. Displaying on a cross I consider unnecessary as that would no doubt have had to be scrutineered for correct dimensions etc. etc.

But seriously, a drive-through - Mr. Warwick, you're having a laugh.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

The eggs and rotten fruit I consider to be a thoroughly excellent idea which would really have livened up the post-race analysis. Displaying on a cross I consider unnecessary as that would no doubt have had to be scrutineered for correct dimensions etc. etc.

But seriously, a drive-through - Mr. Warwick, you're having a laugh.

In case you missed it, my point is that the sheer bloodlust displayed by 'fans' over very minor offenses is getting out of hand. Someone even called Perez 'homocidal' without a hint of irony

[wnut]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Perez v Sirotkin. This was one of the most blatant "professional fouls" I have ever seen in F1. Vettel on Hamilton and a couple of Maldonado incidents are the only others that spring to mind.

Senna at Suzuka turned out to be much the same but eventually we found out it was pre-meditated. Prost on Senna the year before looked like "If we both crash, I'm champion, and anyway the speed is low and no-one will get hurt".

The Schumacher Chop was never quite in the same league as it was intended to intimidate rather than to deliberately hit another car.

Personally I think the stewards played very safe with the drive-through. I suspect they didn't want to come down hard and then find afterwards that there was some mitigating factor. On the other hand, it should still be open to the FIA to impose a more appropriate penalty; one race ban, three race ban, one season ban? It really is totally unacceptable to lose your temper (we could hear that on team radio well before the incident) and drive into another car. It needs to be stamped on. Remind me someone: what was the penalty for Crashgate?

Vettel's wheel banging with Hamilton was behind the safety car, so at very low speed.

I agree with you that Perez's driving into the side of Sirotkin is just ridiculous, I think he should spend a good few races on the sidelines thinking about it.
If I was FI, I would get rid of him for pushing Ocon into the wall (absolutely deliberate, no question imo), again! Third time!

[wnut]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Vettel looked a broken man after the race. Even allowing for the exhaustion and dehydration, I think he's given up.

I get the distinct impression that Vettel was using Marchhionne to get what he wanted and needed out of Arrivabene, and now he doesn't have the leverage he had in the running of Ferrari, and is not too impressed with what is going on, or the level of support he is getting.
Interesting times!

[sizzle]

I thought the other way around. Marchionne getting what he wanted out of Vettee.

[Armco Bender]

I must have been the only person watching who thought Ocon was an idiot for trying a banzaii kamikazzee pass,around a corner where he was always going to get squeezed,in the other drivers blind spot,when its all going crazy on the first lap.
A bit of patience and everyone would be talking about what a great bag of points he got....

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

I must have been the only person watching who thought Ocon was an idiot for trying a banzaii kamikazzee pass,around a corner where he was always going to get squeezed,in the other drivers blind spot,when its all going crazy on the first lap.
A bit of patience and everyone would be talking about what a great bag of points he got....

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/1041337452445741057?s=20

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

In case you missed it, my point is that the sheer bloodlust displayed by 'fans' over very minor offenses is getting out of hand. Someone even called Perez 'homocidal' without a hint of irony

I’ll agree that fans overreact. I’d take an argument that there should be less penalties. However one thing that does need to be penalised is deliberately driving your car into another. Either because of petulance (Perez Vettel examples) or sporting benefit (Schumacher Senna).

Now, from what I recall, it looked pretty petulant and a definite swipe at the other car. As with a punch or similar in other sports (not boxing ) this is just not acceptable in the sport.

The debate can be whether he did it on purpose. I’d have to watch again. However it did look bad and I didn’t really buy Perez’s explanation, but I note Charlie Whiting says he doesn’t think he did it on purpose.