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Old 8 May 2021, 09:42 (Ref:4050289)   #1666
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Heart warming gesture from Toto. nice to see.
Should have great promotional value for Mercedes in France too.
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Old 12 Sep 2021, 19:31 (Ref:4073419)   #1667
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Another incident today that (hopefully) we can all agree was another example of the halo providing protection to a driver.
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Old 12 Sep 2021, 20:20 (Ref:4073447)   #1668
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Yep. The outcome without a halo doesn't bear thinking about. They also need to remove those sausages from turn 1 asap......
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There is no doubt that the halo helped to protect Hamilton today, but the incident also highlighted the deficiency of the Halo. Namely encroachment from above.

Would an enclosed cockpit have done better, we'll never know for sure, but there are 2 areas I'd point out.

Firstly it was the halo itself that caused the floor to break on the RB as it came overhead, it was only that sufficient of the rear of the floor was on the airbox/roll hoop, that prevented large pieces of floor entering the cockpit from above.

Secondly is the RB's rear wheel and how it came across the top of the halo and Hamilton's head, It would be interesting if images were released of any marks or damage to Hamilton's helmet.
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Secondly is the RB's rear wheel and how it came across the top of the halo and Hamilton's head, It would be interesting if images were released of any marks or damage to Hamilton's helmet.


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Old 12 Sep 2021, 21:06 (Ref:4073463)   #1671
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That first image really sends a shiver ....
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Wonder if Mr Hamilton is grateful that his advice was ignored when the halo was forced into F1 yet.
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Old 14 Sep 2021, 01:11 (Ref:4073741)   #1673
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Yes, he said he was very grateful and praise the development of safety.

What is great is that he can change his opinion.
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Old 14 Sep 2021, 02:12 (Ref:4073753)   #1674
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Yep. The outcome without a halo doesn't bear thinking about. They also need to remove those sausages from turn 1 asap......
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Its not a part of the racing surface.
There is a line that is the edge of the racing surface.
Then a curb that is outside the racing surface but you are allowed to use by placing your inside wheels on it,
The sausage curb is then there to discourage people from crossing the real curb and short cutting the corner.
There are other bars there painted in stripes for the same reason.
There is also a clearly defined path inside the judders bars to enable people caught out or late braking to cross the chicane area without causing damage to the car and rejoining on the other side of the chicane.
But of course they can't get an advantage from it and must redress any place gained.

But its not dangerous UNLESS you try to overtake by going off the circuit and then you are at fault and the author of your own misfortune. You may also be the author of someone else's misfortune.
In that case you will get a penalty.
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Old 14 Sep 2021, 04:02 (Ref:4073763)   #1675
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Why?
Its not a part of the racing surface.
There is a line that is the edge of the racing surface.
Then a curb that is outside the racing surface but you are allowed to use by placing your inside wheels on it,
The sausage curb is then there to discourage people from crossing the real curb and short cutting the corner.
There are other bars there painted in stripes for the same reason.
There is also a clearly defined path inside the judders bars to enable people caught out or late braking to cross the chicane area without causing damage to the car and rejoining on the other side of the chicane.
But of course they can't get an advantage from it and must redress any place gained.

But its not dangerous UNLESS you try to overtake by going off the circuit and then you are at fault and the author of your own misfortune. You may also be the author of someone else's misfortune.
In that case you will get a penalty.
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Old 14 Sep 2021, 04:52 (Ref:4073768)   #1676
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Why?
Its not a part of the racing surface.
There is a line that is the edge of the racing surface.
Then a curb that is outside the racing surface but you are allowed to use by placing your inside wheels on it,
The sausage curb is then there to discourage people from crossing the real curb and short cutting the corner.
There are other bars there painted in stripes for the same reason.
There is also a clearly defined path inside the judders bars to enable people caught out or late braking to cross the chicane area without causing damage to the car and rejoining on the other side of the chicane.
But of course they can't get an advantage from it and must redress any place gained.

But its not dangerous UNLESS you try to overtake by going off the circuit and then you are at fault and the author of your own misfortune. You may also be the author of someone else's misfortune.
In that case you will get a penalty.
Ditto!!!
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Old 14 Sep 2021, 10:30 (Ref:4073787)   #1677
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Why?
Its not a part of the racing surface.
It is under the current rules where FIA allow drivers to only have to keep two wheels inside the white line.
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It is under the current rules where FIA allow drivers to only have to keep two wheels inside the white line.
That doesn't make it part of the racing surface, otherwise using this definition the grass is also the racing surface, which it obviously isn't.

The white line defines the boundaries of the racing surface (unless otherwise overriden by the race directors pre-event notes). You must keep 2 wheels on the racing surface (unless overriden by the race director).
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It is under the current rules where FIA allow drivers to only have to keep two wheels inside the white line.
'Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.'

So as mentioned the track (racing surface is a concept) is defined by the white lines. The regulations require a part of the car (not 2 wheels) to remain in contact or the driver will be judged to have left the track. The surfaces outside of the white lines are not 'racing surface'.

In this image, Verstappen has left the track :

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'Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.'

So as mentioned the track (racing surface is a concept) is defined by the white lines. The regulations require a part of the car (not 2 wheels) to remain in contact or the driver will be judged to have left the track. The surfaces outside of the white lines are not 'racing surface'.

In this image, Verstappen has left the track :

This image also demonstrates the first time Verstappen was alongside enough to make the move legitimate.
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