World Rallycross Championship 2018 - Page 19

S griffin · 13 May 2018, 20:55 (Ref:3822196)

Seems Belgium served up another good one, must catch the highlights when they’re on. Timmy Hansen is the man at the moment. Maybe Ekstrom should go back to circuit racing, he seems to cause a lot of incidents

1975DCS · 14 May 2018, 20:16 (Ref:3822416)

I don’t mind looking on YouTube as I can stream to my tv easily. But I do hate you cannot watch the full footage. I don’t consider it a good thing that only manufactures seems to get coverage, I prefer high clubman levels. There are 100 eligible cars, but only a handful are out on track? Ridiculous! And all those so called WRX minded people are either gone or ditched: Block, Ford, Pauwels, Doran, Albatec...

1975DCS · 14 May 2018, 20:18 (Ref:3822417)

The 208’s look to have found the pace. Due to the 205 heritage I have a weak for PSA RX Cars.

S griffin · 14 May 2018, 21:11 (Ref:3822431)

The 208s look good rallyx cars. I don’t remember the 205s though

Marcopolo · 16 May 2018, 09:59 (Ref:3822805)

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Originally Posted by tbtstt

Well an interesting result from Belgium with a dramatic semi-final 2 and final. Timmy Hansen denied another win at Mettet, but still a good weekend for Peugeot. The latest iteration of the 208 looked to have speed in rounds one and two, great to see the car deliver. Also good news for the Championship with Johan finishing further down the order and the points all closing up.

I am starting to go off Ekstrom: for a driver who frequently preaches about clean racing that is the second heavy turn one contact he has been involved with this year. I'd have been livid if I was Grosset-Janin.

The design of those concrete blocks is the screw up, the bottom has a piece that comes up at an angle so the car basically rides up onto it, Johan would have flipped also if Petter hasn't been there for him to lean on

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Marcopolo · 16 May 2018, 10:29 (Ref:3822818)

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Originally Posted by 1975DCS

The 208’s look to have found the pace. Due to the 205 heritage I have a weak for PSA RX Cars.

Hopefully they building a new 208 for Kevin also, his still racing a modified version of last year's car

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chunder · 16 May 2018, 10:57 (Ref:3822823)

The tracks are simply designed.

They are often very one line in places, with lots of tight bends to encourage slow speed contact and use of the handbrake.

Original rallycross tracks like Lydden, Valkenswaard, Maasmechelen have maybe one tight corner, mixed with a lot of faster stuff or long, sweeping bends.

Modern supercars, since the restrictor and grooved tyres are used don't like these.

They much prefer the Montalagre, switchback style tracks.

But they are largely one line and the gravel gets swept off after practice to leave a hard pack base that if you leave loses you positions.

Meaning racing is congested on slow tracks with lots of tight bends to encourage hits and passing on slow corners.

And also to fit within a smaller area like Hockenheim or Barcelona.

Hence these crap block are often used, meaning cars are likely to hit them and flip.

MissClarrpz · 16 May 2018, 22:33 (Ref:3822937)

Just looked at 2017 vs 2018 for on track overtaking (not joker strategies).
Mistake is overtake through an error, Joker is the getting by due to difference in speed between standard and joker lap exit, Normal is just a normal/pushy overtake

Barcelona
2017-19 (M7/J7/N5)
2018-12 (M4/J3/N5)

Portugal
2017-14 (M8/J3/N3)
2018-11 (M4/J1/N6)

Mettet
2017-11 (M7/J2/N2)
2018-14 (M5/J6/N3) <-All 3 normal thanks to Timmy in Semi Final 2

Hockenheim
2017-31 (M9/J6/N16)

Plus this is probably all 2018 overtakes where as 2017 has less qualifying coverage so I must have missed some.

Conclusion: 2018 is a bit more boring, so far. I feel each year it's got a little tamer either due to track changes, reductions in cars and possibly other factors. Still amazing but taming the beast (action-wise) a little?

tbtstt · 17 May 2018, 08:14 (Ref:3822981)

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Originally Posted by MissClarrpz

Just looked at 2017 vs 2018 for on track overtaking (not joker strategies).
Mistake is overtake through an error, Joker is the getting by due to difference in speed between standard and joker lap exit, Normal is just a normal/pushy overtake

Barcelona
2017-19 (M7/J7/N5)
2018-12 (M4/J3/N5)

Portugal
2017-14 (M8/J3/N3)
2018-11 (M4/J1/N6)

Mettet
2017-11 (M7/J2/N2)
2018-14 (M5/J6/N3) <-All 3 normal thanks to Timmy in Semi Final 2

Hockenheim
2017-31 (M9/J6/N16)

Plus this is probably all 2018 overtakes where as 2017 has less qualifying coverage so I must have missed some.

Conclusion: 2018 is a bit more boring, so far. I feel each year it's got a little tamer either due to track changes, reductions in cars and possibly other factors. Still amazing but taming the beast (action-wise) a little?

As much as I like a good list, I don't think the above statistics are the best way to quantify the quality of racing.

Perhaps there has been less overtaking (I assume you are just counting during the TV coverage and not the entire event?), but I personally think the top of the World field is much closer this year than in 2017. Some of the non-works teams look capable of making the podium as well. It's early days but, as things stand at present, it should be a much closer title race.

There are also a couple of very strong challengers in the Euros, I really hope Nitiss can best Marklund as I think he deserves some success.

NaBUru38 · 17 May 2018, 12:37 (Ref:3823015)

I think that joker laps should be forbidden at the first and last lap of the race.

chasing cars · 17 May 2018, 18:00 (Ref:3823077)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

I think that joker laps should be forbidden at the first and last lap of the race.

Agreed, especially at places like Portugal where the joker is the first corner and of course Lydden. Races there are always split immediately and there's little intrigue as to who will take it as grid position dictates the best option.

Germany suffers with having it at the end of the lap meaning the leader nearly always takes it at the end of a race depriving fans of a last lap on track battle,Silverstone will probably be the same. Before the widely unpopular decision to move the start and finish line Barcelona use to be at the end too but due to the speed and time gained on the exit of the joker drivers rarely took it on the last lap.

S griffin · 20 May 2018, 09:01 (Ref:3823515)

Caught the highlights of Portugal this morning, it is closer than ever, although the weather did mix it up a bit

Marcopolo · 23 May 2018, 05:18 (Ref:3824123)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

I think that joker laps should be forbidden at the first and last lap of the race.

Personally I think it should be banned on the first lap only on the tracks where the joker is immediately after the start, other than that see no reason for it to banned on the last lap

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MissClarrpz · 23 May 2018, 22:35 (Ref:3824313)

https://www.motorsport.com/world-rx/...n-1040897/?s=1

Uh oh. Timerzyanov might not be allowed into the UK as he doesn't have a visa at the moment. He couldn't compete in 2012 at Lydden Hill so it's not something that's guaranteed to be fine. Hopefully he can.

Hickey1 · 24 May 2018, 14:18 (Ref:3824396)

No Topi either as his car isn't ready.

The very next FB post was of Timur confirming his UK Visa.

Marcopolo · 24 May 2018, 14:19 (Ref:3824398)

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Originally Posted by MissClarrpz

https://www.motorsport.com/world-rx/...n-1040897/?s=1

Uh oh. Timerzyanov might not be allowed into the UK as he doesn't have a visa at the moment. He couldn't compete in 2012 at Lydden Hill so it's not something that's guaranteed to be fine. Hopefully he can.

Just saw on the twatter that his Visa came through and his on his way to England

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**BertMk2** · 24 May 2018, 16:00 (Ref:3824417)

Anybody here going to Silverstone?

chunder · 24 May 2018, 20:21 (Ref:3824462)

Loll, traitors if you are! But I bet the goons are going

tbtstt · 25 May 2018, 08:40 (Ref:3824512)

I don't know any rallycross regulars who are going. Couple of my mates were interested, but unwilling to pay the ticket price.

Think I will be going to watch some grasstrack instead!

**BertMk2** · 25 May 2018, 09:26 (Ref:3824519)

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Originally Posted by chunder

Loll, traitors if you are! But I bet the goons are going

The goons?

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Originally Posted by tbtstt

I don't know any rallycross regulars who are going. Couple of my mates were interested, but unwilling to pay the ticket price.

Think I will be going to watch some grasstrack instead!

Even with the discounts that were flying about it was far too expensive for me. I'm off to Brands for the Historics (cheaper for the weekend for me and my son than 1 day at Silverstone for me only).

tbtstt · 25 May 2018, 10:14 (Ref:3824527)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Even with the discounts that were flying about it was far too expensive for me. I'm off to Brands for the Historics (cheaper for the weekend for me and my son than 1 day at Silverstone for me only).

Brands would have been my first port of call, but I am still stinging from what they have done to the GP circuit.

**BertMk2** · 25 May 2018, 10:21 (Ref:3824529)

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Originally Posted by tbtstt

Brands would have been my first port of call, but I am still stinging from what they have done to the GP circuit.

Yep - that still sucks. I'll have another look to see if I can salvage anything in the way of photo opportunities on the loop but I'm not optimistic. Definitely going to be at Brands less now. The airshow at Duxford was the other option I looked at for this weekend.

geordiecriag101 · 25 May 2018, 10:29 (Ref:3824530)

No Silverstone for me this weekend, Brands all day Saturday for the Masters and Bruntingthorpe all day Sunday for Cold War Jets day. Just to show the insantiy for the World Rx prices, I've been able to get advanced Ticket for Saturday at the Masters Plus return train fair from Market Harborough to Swanley for less than the advanced ticket price of Saturday only at Silverstone!

Will be watching all the Facebook posts to see what peoples reactions are to the whole thing.

RichP · 25 May 2018, 10:29 (Ref:3824531)

I'm not going, tickets are too expensive. 15 of us have gone to Lydden for the last few years, none will be there this weekend.

tbtstt · 25 May 2018, 10:44 (Ref:3824533)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Yep - that still sucks. I'll have another look to see if I can salvage anything in the way of photo opportunities on the loop but I'm not optimistic.

The exit of Hawthorns was the only spot that I thought they hadn't totally ruined for photos. If only they had applied the same layout (i.e high fence up to the apex, low fence on the way out) of the other corners, then Westfield and Sheene's curve would have still been good for shots.

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Will be watching all the Facebook posts to see what peoples reactions are to the whole thing.

I am personally expecting a lot of positive posts: if you have never seen World Rallycross cars before (and a lot of the posts I have read on Facebook from those going seem to suggest that many are rallycross newbies) I think the experience will be enough to impress.

It's a real shame, as it seems like Speed Machine has succeeded in attracting the wider audience they wanted: pity that they seem to have driven away the existing fan base in the process.

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