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Subsequently, either the radio conversation in full or the team contacting the stewards caused them to adjust the penalties to a fairer outcome. Good call in my view - the licence points made zero difference to the race result & I'd suggest that the driver wouldn't have known about that until after the race - so making the change makes sense, given further info from the team. In regard to decisions and Charlie's passing, neither Charlie nor Michael have had any part in steward's decisions - other than referring matters or giving evidence and let's face it, there were plenty of weird stewards' decisions in the past and no doubt will be plenty more in the future. |
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If we were to take the approach that radio calls should be fully listened to before making a decision on a penalty, we could end up with even more bizarre decisions - did the team's call of "get him, push push" cause driver X to drive into driver Y - so now driver X should not get a penalty? |
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Am I mistaken in thinking the Stroll/Leclerc coming together was amazingly similar to the Hamilton/Albon one in Austria. With the opposite outcome when reviewed by the stewards.
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The team (including the Hamster) made a mistake, copped a penalty, that's it really. If the non-time, non-race impact part of the penalty was later changed, BFD. |
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Not disputing the penalty, they made a mistake and fell foul which is fair enough, I’m trying to work out the process of applying the punishment without all the evidence....that seems somewhat strange, especially when that evidence is so readily available, and we know the stewards listen to the team radios all the time
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I was only watching the Channel 4 coverage, so there were some laps that got cut from the highlights. So, with that in mind, can someone explain whether or not Hamilton would have won if he did not get the 10 second penalty. Reason I am asking is that he was ahead of Bottas by a smallish margin, but ended up behind Verstappen by more than 10 seconds, and Bottas was much further ahead.
I saw that Hamilton came out behind Vettel, but it looked like he got past quickly, so I am struggling to see where he lost the rest of the time. Or was his tyre strategy / mid race pace not as good as the other two? |
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With that said, who knows....Hamilton may have been able to catch up, but once the penalty was dished out, knowing he had to pass a few cars including Max, playing the long game it was probably better to cruise home 3rd rather than risk it. |
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Of course it is harsh to have a penalty like that when it didn't really affect the race, but rules are rules. Good win for Bottas, bit closer to Hamilton in the title, but he needs not to rely on bad luck if he wants to keep those hopes alive
Track limits once again rears it's ugly head. Funny how we didn't hear anything about it in Mugello, where they have gravel runoff all round the circuit? Vettel once again below par. He has to rediscover his mojo at Aston Martin or it's a complete waste of a good seat |
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LOL!!!! what makes me laugh even more is Johnny Herbert was the driver steward in Spa who chose not to penalise LeClerc, and yet he was the one saying on Sky that Hamiltons penalty was justified
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Can we move on to other things please. There's a whole race to discuss, albeit a pretty tedious one.
Turn 2 was altogether a bit of a mess, for which we can jointly blame the track design, the race organisers and some of the drivers. Carlos Sainz's clobbering of the wall will be appearing on replay for years to come. I like Carlos, but that was driving like a plonker. And slithering back onto the track made it seriously dangerous. Bottas just managed to stay on the right side of the sausage kerb but Riciardo apparently went just over (personally I thought he was just OK). Both were being squeezed by their team-mate. Fat John probably gave expression to what most people were feeling about the off-track chicane. To be fair to him, he went off quite late and would have had to double back on himself to follow the appointed route. F1 steering lock wouldn't allow that. Vettel's qually crash was the sort of thing that could happen to almost anyone when they're trying to push the envelope. But it happened to HIM. AGAIN! Leclerc and Stroll crashing was just a typical first lap incident. Annoying for Racing Point but not much more. Daddy Stroll must be wondering about his "2021 Dream Team" though. I really, really want Alex Albon to come good. But supporting him is beginning to feel like supporting Williams. |
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Decent summary. That's about it I guess. Shall we close the thread....?
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heres an interesting article from The Race https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-f...enalty-points/ Masi says we expect drivers to do practice start from a specific point, while at the same time contradicting himself by admitting that specific point wasnt in the race directors notes and no marking was on the tarmac to show where that specific point was. Add to that the lack of penalty for Leclerc doing exactly the same thing and the more and more excuses i hear, the more i think the stewards had a bad day at the office |
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It’s seems fashionable to knock the stewards when they make a controversial decision, but there are plenty of questions that deserve to be answered. Like how Leclerc got away with similar and why the FIA weren’t clear on everything to begin with. As I said rules are rules, but it does seem that the officials have quite a bit to answer to
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just the frequency with which these things keep happening to him... and all the more telling when compared to the drive Perez put in. i suppose SV did compromise his race by getting in between the Renault's a bit (not sure whose decision that was but im guessing it was the team's), but its not like Vettee looked like he was otherwise going to get into the points anyways. i really dont think next year with a new team will improve much. sad when this happens to any and every athlete, but imo he is past that point now. while he may have a swan song performance or two left in him, his skill set has declined far too much for him to ever come back to being competitive over the course of a whole season. |
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It is useful when deciding if you put the points on the licence. Perhaps they should have waited to announce the points until later... |
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I agree with the points above about the definition of the practice start area. Unlike the pit closed signage at Monza, it wasn’t well defined beforehand. There are lots of maps in the in pre race notes, it should be drawn on that. Although it is possible guidance and definitions are to be found elsewhere
It also strikes me that the penalty is harsh for the infraction, or at least the doubling up of it because it was done twice. Although as there is a potential performance benefit I guess it makes sense. ??? |
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