[Official] 70th Anniversary Grand Prix: Grand Prix Weekend - Round 5 of the 2020 Championship

[djinvicta]

I reckon Ferrari, knowing Vettel is off to RP maybe letting him flounder with the current car and throwing all help at Leclerc.
Suddenly.. Vettel is a number 2 driver..

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by djinvicta

I reckon Ferrari, knowing Vettel is off to RP maybe letting him flounder with the current car and throwing all help at Leclerc.
Suddenly.. Vettel is a number 2 driver..

Not sure I agree completely.....ferrari need to pull results out with both drivers. There’s no doubt Charles was better than Seb last year and with the recent news, I think it’s gotten into Sebs head which is down right now....it happened a bit at red bull when he was no longer getting the better of his teammate

I like Seb don’t get me wrong, but for a 4 time champ he has had a track record of too many mistakes and losing out to younger teammates when they’re given equal treatment

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Not sure I agree completely.....ferrari need to pull results out with both drivers. There’s no doubt Charles was better than Seb last year and with the recent news, I think it’s gotten into Sebs head which is down right now....it happened a bit at red bull when he was no longer getting the better of his teammate

I like Seb don’t get me wrong, but for a 4 time champ he has had a track record of too many mistakes and losing out to younger teammates when they’re given equal treatment

Ferrari are currently 4th in the WCC, with 43 points. McLaren are 3rd with 51 and Renault 5th with 32. Without a decent result tomorrow Renault could overhaul Ferrari, or at least be snapping at their heals, so why not concentrate their efforts on Leclerc?

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Ferrari are currently 4th in the WCC, with 43 points. McLaren are 3rd with 51 and Renault 5th with 32. Without a decent result tomorrow Renault could overhaul Ferrari, or at least be snapping at their heals, so why not concentrate their efforts on Leclerc?

Because they need 2 drivers scoring points. Let’s face it, ferrari have the resources to run both cars correctly, the drivers have the same equipment so there is no reason Vettel shouldn’t be able to match or get close to Charles

With Renault and Mclaren scoring points regularly with 2 cars, red bull have 1 strong driver and another that is starting to get it together, ferrari can’t afford to have Vettel running around in 10/11 place, relying on Charles to pull the full weight of the team.

[tux]

Who even knows anymore? Role on 2022 imo

Still, with a budget of £320m a year Mercedes wont ever be stopped. Its too easy.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

I do wonder if Racing point will be taking a step back if they haven’t signed already....Vettel isn’t exactly doing much at the moment is he?

They must have been hitting the bottle if that rumour is correct....

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Because they need 2 drivers scoring points. Let’s face it, ferrari have the resources to run both cars correctly, the drivers have the same equipment so there is no reason Vettel shouldn’t be able to match or get close to Charles

With Renault and Mclaren scoring points regularly with 2 cars, red bull have 1 strong driver and another that is starting to get it together, ferrari can’t afford to have Vettel running around in 10/11 place, relying on Charles to pull the full weight of the team.

Despite the resources and the drivers having the same equipment, Vettel's not delivering the goods. He's finished 6th once, 10th twice and had one retirement.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by tux

Who even knows anymore? Role on 2022 imo

Still, with a budget of £320m a year Mercedes wont ever be stopped. Its too easy.

Easy?

Well ferraris budget last year was £354 million and what have they done with it?

Red bull could happily match their budget if the Boss thought it was worth it.

Racing Point have proven you don’t need Ferraris budget to beat top teams, so money isn’t everything

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Despite the resources and the drivers having the same equipment, Vettel's not delivering the goods. He's finished 6th once, 10th twice and had one retirement.

Correct....so the driver needs to step up. But again, they can’t afford for just Charles to pull the full weight of the team, they need both cars in the hunt.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Correct....so the driver needs to step up. But again, they can’t afford for just Charles to pull the full weight of the team, they need both cars in the hunt.

They can't force Vettel to step up and as he won't be racing for them next season, where is the incentive?

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

They can't force Vettel to step up and as he won't be racing for them next season, where is the incentive?

They shouldn’t need to force him.....a few million dollars and the privilege of being an F1 driver should be enough! Either that or drop him and get someone in that gives a damn.

Either way, as I said there is no point in putting all your eggs in one basket, and I doubt ferrari would do....again, they need both cars scoring points

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

They shouldn’t need to force him.....a few million dollars and the privilege of being an F1 driver should be enough! Either that or drop him and get someone in that gives a damn.

Either way, as I said there is no point in putting all your eggs in one basket, and I doubt ferrari would do....again, they need both cars scoring points

He's got plenty of money as it is and if the rumours are true, that he's got the Aston Martin/Racing Point drive next year, then he's still got the privilege of being an F1 driver. Unless he ups his game or they replace him and that in itself won't necessarily guarantee results, I don't think both drivers will be scoring points, so Ferrari might as well concentrate on Leclerc. I could be wrong and there are still a number of races to go.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by tux

Who even knows anymore? Role on 2022 imo

Still, with a budget of £320m a year Mercedes wont ever be stopped. Its too easy.

Nope.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Despite the resources and the drivers having the same equipment, Vettel's not delivering the goods. He's finished 6th once, 10th twice and had one retirement.

He has not forgotten how to drive.

Has the FIA had a look at the Ferrari data between the drivers?

In intermediate 2, Leclerc's highest speed is 273 km/h and Vettel is 269.8 km/h the biggest difference between any 2 team mates.

There is something weird going on here.

[Adam43]

They don’t need to look into it, there is more than enough proof already.

Vettel was 0.615s slower round Silverstone than Leclerc! In the “same” car. Why?!

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Adam43

They don’t need to look into it, there is more than enough proof already.

Vettel was 0.615s slower round Silverstone than Leclerc! In the “same” car. Why?!

My question exactly.

[wnut]

Qualifying YTD Vettel v Leclerc

Austria Leclerc by 0.054 sec

Styrian GP Vettel by 0.083 sec

Hungary Vettel by 0.043 sec

Britain Leclerc by 0.912 sec

70 th GP Leclerc by 0.369 sec
(In intermediate 2, Leclerc's highest speed is 273 km/h and Vettel is 269.8 km/h the biggest difference between any 2 team mates)

Calculated on last session both in qualifying.

[GT6]

Hoping today's race will not be another Mercedes walk over but fear if nothing goes wrong for them they could end up lapping almost the entire field today.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by wnut

My question exactly.

Certainly last weekend some of the difference was attributed to different setup/ wing choices the tried in practice and lack of running for Vettel. Ferrari went with a radical low downforce rear wing to help them on the straights but it doesn’t to give Vettel any confidence through the corners...we know he traditionally needs a really planted rear end. It was noted in the TV broadcasts. That would also partially explain the lack of top end speed....if he’s nervous getting on the throttle it would translate down the straights.

I’m sure someone will be micro analysing it after the race though. Be interesting to see the cause, and I hope it’s a car problem rather than just bad driving by vettel

[Knowlesy]

Vettel just seems low on confidence after a couple of years now of pretty grim races on the whole.

The car doesn't really suit his extremely small list of strengths.

Lastly, team and driver are probably pretty fed up with each other.

Not really a recipe for performance alongside their beloved Leclerc.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Not really a recipe for performance alongside their beloved Leclerc.

It’s starting to feel more and more like Hamilton/ Alonso.,,,

Young driver comes in, upstages establishes world champion, team starts to question why they’re paying all that money for a driver who isn’t performing and giving them a return on investment, team starts to get behind the young driver

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

It’s starting to feel more and more like Hamilton/ Alonso.,,,

Young driver comes in, upstages establishes world champion, team starts to question why they’re paying all that money for a driver who isn’t performing and giving them a return on investment, team starts to get behind the young driver

Except Alonso remained on top of his game with nothing between the two of them in terms of speed.

[bjohnsonsmith]

I think Vettel's problems started before Leclerc came on the scene, with 2018 being the pivotal year and Leclerc's arrival in 2019 just compounded them.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Adam43

They don’t need to look into it, there is more than enough proof already.

Vettel was 0.615s slower round Silverstone than Leclerc! In the “same” car. Why?!

Oh, I’ve just realised I made a mistake, that this wasn’t the gap in qualifying yesterday. I looked up the wrong race, that was Silverstone last year. The gap yesterday was 0.369s (0.912s last weekend). Crikey, this has been going on for at least a year!

This is it people, we are through the looking glass.

[Akrapovic]

Adam, I love you.