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Old 4 Apr 2016, 21:38 (Ref:3630368)   #61
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Drivers have told me that they slowed from a race speed of 200 down to a yellow flag speed of 160 through the designated zone and from the driver's point of view that is a big slow down
And more than once have I attended a driver who told me he thought he'd slowed down enough before coming across something he couldn't avoid. Happily, never a marshal. And there will always be a gap between the thing that needs the field bringing under control and the field actually being brought under control, so this doesn't remove from the drivers the responsibility of responding appropriately.
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Old 5 Apr 2016, 07:10 (Ref:3630445)   #62
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As a person who works on track during incident clean ups I'd like to see a zero tolerance for yellow infringements as many Safety Cars could be avoided if drivers obeyed the yellow rules and let us do our jobs safely.

There is a couple of race cars out there with a size 11 dint in their door as a result of passing me at a speed I consider dangerous to mine or my crews health under Safety Car remembering I'm not just responsible for my own safety but that of my crew members as well when we turn out to an incident.

I'd also like to see all licence renewals require an 8 hour trackside stint at the drivers local circuit as happens to all new licence applicants now just to remind them what it's like for us outside the race car.

As for why they didn't deploy the SC at the end of the race at Symmons they will always try to let a race run it's course if there's a lap or two to go and rely on the drivers obeying the Yellows. If one of the drivers was injured and required help they would've sent out the SC.
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Old 5 Apr 2016, 09:17 (Ref:3630470)   #63
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It really shows that the safety car, if not always, is at times an entertainment car.

The safety car is sent out for minor on track issues to close up the field and provide more entertainment.

And it is withheld for major incidents when deploying it would reduce the entertainment by finishing the race under the safety car.
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Old 10 Oct 2016, 07:24 (Ref:3678851)   #64
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It really shows that the safety car, if not always, is at times an entertainment car.

The safety car is sent out for minor on track issues to close up the field and provide more entertainment.

And it is withheld for major incidents when deploying it would reduce the entertainment by finishing the race under the safety car.
Funny how relevant this is. How was there no saftey car for Todd Kelly's car???

I also feel a lot of the blame for the current fiasco lies squarely at Race Control's feet. They've created a situation where penalties are inconsistent, drivers can just redress themselves, things said in the driver's briefing seem to be forgotten once the lights go out etc

Maybe ex drivers shouldn't be officials...
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Old 10 Oct 2016, 10:05 (Ref:3678879)   #65
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Funny how relevant this is. How was there no saftey car for Todd Kelly's car???

I also feel a lot of the blame for the current fiasco lies squarely at Race Control's feet. They've created a situation where penalties are inconsistent, drivers can just redress themselves, things said in the driver's briefing seem to be forgotten once the lights go out etc

Maybe ex drivers shouldn't be officials...

I agree with the above post; but can we please remember that these decisions are made by the Supercars paid employees, and not by the volunteers who man the individual Race Controls around the calendar.
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Old 10 Oct 2016, 10:34 (Ref:3678891)   #66
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Not sure if it was shown on Ch10, but the Fox telecast in one of its semi-ad breaks showed a Marshall jumping onto the track at the kink to retrieve some debris while there was a gap in the cars. When Fox returned to normal viewing no mention was made of it. At least that prevented an entertainment car...
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Not sure if it was shown on Ch10, but the Fox telecast in one of its semi-ad breaks showed a Marshall jumping onto the track at the kink to retrieve some debris while there was a gap in the cars. When Fox returned to normal viewing no mention was made of it. At least that prevented an entertainment car...
and that was at a time that a SC would have been ideal for entertainment purposes

Which to me suggest that people who use that term "entertainment car" are probably a bit out of touch with the series or crotchety old men
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Old 10 Oct 2016, 21:13 (Ref:3679031)   #68
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and that was at a time that a SC would have been ideal for entertainment purposes

Which to me suggest that people who use that term "entertainment car" are probably a bit out of touch with the series or crotchety old men
The Race Director does his (paid) job, directs the race and is keenly aware of both the sport and entertainment values (surprise surprise.)

I know he's questioned sector marshals over debris at other rounds over the years with a view to bunch/spice up the racing.
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The Race Director does his (paid) job, directs the race and is keenly aware of both the sport and entertainment values (surprise surprise.)

I know he's questioned sector marshals over debris at other rounds over the years with a view to bunch/spice up the racing.
and yet he didnt do it on sunday when it would have been ideal, which may suggest your anecdotal evidence is incorrect or out of date
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Old 10 Oct 2016, 22:16 (Ref:3679050)   #70
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So where was the SC for Todd's car mate? Would have ruined the entertainment to finish under SC. Nissan in a dangerous spot close to end, no SC.

Coincidence????
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So where was the SC for Todd's car mate? Would have ruined the entertainment to finish under SC. Nissan in a dangerous spot close to end, no SC.

Coincidence????
oh so when they have a SC its an entertainment car and when they dont its an entertainment car. yeah i get that screwed up reasoning

i call it racing
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Old 10 Oct 2016, 23:06 (Ref:3679069)   #72
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Ummm are you dense?

Those that call it the entertainment car do so because of their belief it is used for entertainment rather than saftey.

Not really relevant if it goes out or stays in, more about why eg. Why didn't the SC come out when Kelly was in a dangerous position
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Ummm are you dense?

Those that call it the entertainment car do so because of their belief it is used for entertainment rather than saftey.

Not really relevant if it goes out or stays in, more about why eg. Why didn't the SC come out when Kelly was in a dangerous position
Im fully aware of why out of touch people call it an entertainment car

Its because of a belief that it is called out to create entertainment when a race may have got slow or to produce a close finish.

However We did not see that happen on the weekend when there was an ideal opportunity with debris in the chase.

Thus i stand by my comment that people who use that term "entertainment car" are probably a bit out of touch with the series or crotchety old men.
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So the saftey car did not come out for Todd Kelly because...
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So the saftey car did not come out for Todd Kelly because...
Because the race was safely managed under double waved yellows, as MANY classes around the world would do in the last 2 laps of a race.
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