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Old 11 Oct 2016, 01:00 (Ref:3679107)   #76
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Im fully aware of why out of touch people call it an entertainment car

Its because of a belief that it is called out to create entertainment when a race may have got slow or to produce a close finish.

However We did not see that happen on the weekend when there was an ideal opportunity with debris in the chase.

Thus i stand by my comment that people who use that term "entertainment car" are probably a bit out of touch with the series or crotchety old men.
Please read post #63 and tell me why I am out of touch?
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 01:02 (Ref:3679109)   #77
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Please read post #63 and tell me why I am out of touch?
I already have.

however to be clear. Races that finish under local yellows is not about entertainment, Its about racing. Which is what the competitors are there to do. The entertainment is a side issue to racing
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 01:11 (Ref:3679112)   #78
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I already have.
We saw a safety car for when Rick Kelly hit the wall at Forrest's Elbow.

The safety car boards were displayed post haste without any reasonable time for the use of waved double yellow flags to allow Rick to get out of the wall under his own steam.

When then saw a car left in perhaps the most dangerous and exposed position in any race track in Australia because deploying the Safety Car would have most likely seen the race finish behind the Safety Car.
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 01:20 (Ref:3679114)   #79
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We saw a safety car for when Rick Kelly hit the wall at Forrest's Elbow.

The safety car boards were displayed post haste without any reasonable time for the use of waved double yellow flags to allow Rick to get out of the wall under his own steam.

When then saw a car left in perhaps the most dangerous and exposed position in any race track in Australia because deploying the Safety Car would have most likely seen the race finish behind the Safety Car.

sorry, your point there? Not sure how it relates to safety car, are you suggesting that rick Kelly incident safety car was for entertainment?

But i agree they went quickly on that one, but hardly entertainment
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 01:30 (Ref:3679120)   #80
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The concern I have with the car in the sand at the chase is that no cars reduced their speed through the double waved yellow.
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 01:37 (Ref:3679126)   #81
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The concern I have with the car in the sand at the chase is that no cars reduced their speed through the double waved yellow.
Agreed - but this also seems to be the case in F1 and other series having similar occurances.
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 02:25 (Ref:3679139)   #82
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The concern I have with the car in the sand at the chase is that no cars reduced their speed through the double waved yellow.
Davisons lap times showed slower laps in the last sector for the last two laps as did SVG

Now whincup on the other hand
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 03:06 (Ref:3679155)   #83
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Because the race was safely managed under double waved yellows, as MANY classes around the world would do in the last 2 laps of a race.
So we've learnt nothing from losing Jules bianchi then?

Yeah this race finished safely...this time. What if someone had brake failure? What if anything really? Is it worth risking it for a race finish? Why not just run NASCAR green white chequers in that situation?
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So we've learnt nothing from losing Jules bianchi then?
Bianchi was a bit of a special case, wet conditions, recovery vehicle on track, open cockpit, individual not driving to the conditions.

You can't really single out Supercars for this when this type of practice is quite common in many series around the world.
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 03:21 (Ref:3679164)   #85
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Bianchi was a bit of a special case, wet conditions, recovery vehicle on track, open cockpit, individual not driving to the conditions.

You can't really single out Supercars for this when this type of practice is quite common in many series around the world.
Detonating an engine at 300 kph and losing control on its fluids could have been ugly.
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So we've learnt nothing from losing Jules bianchi then?

Yeah this race finished safely...this time. What if someone had brake failure? What if anything really? Is it worth risking it for a race finish? Why not just run NASCAR green white chequers in that situation?
Really Bianchi? thats what you have? Supercars are so far ahead of F1 when it comes to safety if that's your argument. We call a SC for every time a support vehicle goes on the track

As for green white, why? we can do local yellows. Cant do that in NASCAR

We managed to run multiple support categories on the weekend using local yellows with often amatuer drivers
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 04:21 (Ref:3679182)   #87
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The technology now exists to do Code 60 or Virtual Safety Car.The introduction of a Safety Car can change a race from a sporting contest to a raffle.It is like resetting the score at 0-0 in a football match when a player goes off injured.At one time it was necessary for safety compared to sending trucks out to pick up cars while the race continued at full speed.F1 and WEC have moved away from Safety Cars and it is time for Supercars to do the same.
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The technology now exists to do Code 60 or Virtual Safety Car.The introduction of a Safety Car can change a race from a sporting contest to a raffle.It is like resetting the score at 0-0 in a football match when a player goes off injured.At one time it was necessary for safety compared to sending trucks out to pick up cars while the race continued at full speed.F1 and WEC have moved away from Safety Cars and it is time for Supercars to do the same.
Off you go then - go buy all the gear necessary and provide to Supercars as a profitable aside.

I think the last time this got all discussed you needed between $300k-$500k to do it.

I've been a supplier to them in the past - have fun
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Old 11 Oct 2016, 05:26 (Ref:3679206)   #89
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Really Bianchi? thats what you have? Supercars are so far ahead of F1 when it comes to safety if that's your argument. We call a SC for every time a support vehicle goes on the track

As for green white, why? we can do local yellows. Cant do that in NASCAR
IMO throwing out yellows isn't ideal as you lose a overtaking opportunity. Green white at least let's you race the whole track green.

And as for Supercars being safer than f1, not sure on that. You say every time a support vehicle is on track Supercars call a SC. Why not when marshalls run on the track?

Also the support vehicle was not on track when bianchi hit it, it was in a run off zone, similar to where Todds Nissan was parked....you getting where this is going?
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Also the support vehicle was not on track when bianchi hit it, it was in a run off zone, similar to where Todds Nissan was parked....you getting where this is going?
Repeating it doesn't change it from an apples to oranges comparison.
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