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Old 12 Oct 2003, 07:16 (Ref:747844)   #1
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Retards in Race Control ruin another race

First up in my rant I don't want to take anything away from the winners. Congrats to Murph and Kelly for an absolutely commanding performance all weekend.

Commence rant:

Did they black flag the Ellery car when the entire front end was about to fall off ? No.

Did they apply a five minute penalty to the Smiths Trucks entry when it was spilling fuel all over pit lane ? No.

We were set for a fantastic battle between Murphy and Skaife right down to the wire but because of a slight problem with Skaifey's rear door (which was caused by the spasticity of John Bowe)and truly world class whinging from FPR we were robbed of a truly epic finish.

After the Murph/Lowndes incident earlier this year and now this debacle whoever makes these decisions in these races should be taken out into pit lane and publicy shot in the back of the head. Actually I take that back, as these imbeciles cleary have no evidence of any brain matter at all residing anywhere in or near their skulls a bullet to this area would not result in a fatal wound anyway.

The people making the above decisions in regards to these races are clearly out of their depth and in all seriousness should be immediately relieved of duty.

I used to attend every local round of both the V8 Supercar and Konica series. Never again.

Rant over.


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Old 12 Oct 2003, 07:23 (Ref:747849)   #2
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I was pretty dirty that it spoilt the finish, but what do you do ??
I don't know the rules surrounding what happened so it's a bit hard to say whether the stewards made the right or wrong call...

I seem to remember a car running around without a rear door not so long ago, i wonder what the difference is ?? The door was only opening maybe 12 inches max...

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Old 12 Oct 2003, 07:25 (Ref:747851)   #3
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Couldn't agree more Buck!
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 07:31 (Ref:747860)   #4
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It all comes down to the fact they persist with in race penalties rather than have post race tribunals.
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 07:35 (Ref:747864)   #5
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I was more surprised by the timing, right after the yellow flag. Probably would have been more fair to call him in during the pace car time.

BTW, what would have happened if he hadn't of come in and just driven to the finish???? Would he be able to appeal then??
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 07:40 (Ref:747869)   #6
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That was my thought when he was called in, finish the race in second & then fight the decision out in the stewards room afterwards.
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 07:41 (Ref:747872)   #7
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Buckshot, FPR did a monumental whinge because they had been done over by similar rules before, makes sense for them to ask that consistency be applied to Skaife.
Jetsetter, would you prefer they allowed skaife to race on, potentially take the win, and then snatch the trophy back off him later, when they found that the door was dangerous?
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 08:08 (Ref:747903)   #8
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Wazs i seeing things or was Bowe passed skaifes a pillar and skaife turned into him when his door was actually damaged, if so he should hvae been black flagged for that....
Poetic justice after sandown anyway, if it had been anyone else they would have black flagged them 15 laps earlier, but they seen the flapping door as a hazard during the SC period.
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 08:19 (Ref:747917)   #9
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Bowe didn't turn Skaife around, why would it warrant a black flag for Bowe? (Even though he did put a very chunky dent in car 1)
Skaife played the same games on race control at Sandown as race control *appeared to* be playing on him at Bathurst, when he was killing time making them fix the safety barrier so he could take the time-shortened '500' win. Eye for an eye I say, even though I'm sure Race Control are too professional for that..

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Old 12 Oct 2003, 08:51 (Ref:747966)   #10
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Re: Retards in Race Control ruin another race

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Originally posted by Buckshot

We were set for a fantastic battle between Murphy and Skaife right down to the wire but because of a slight problem with Skaifey's rear door (which was caused by the spasticity of John Bowe)and truly world class whinging from FPR we were robbed of a truly epic finish.

I still think JB had the right to go for it up tyhe inside of Skaife, the gap was there and Skaife turned in on him, look where the contact was made on Skaifes car, it was the front door that was caved in as well as the back. Skaife deserved the black flag.
Ellery came in and fixed his front spoiler, it wasnt really flailing about like skaifes door.
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 08:53 (Ref:747970)   #11
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why are you so dirty buckshot, shure it maght have been an interesting race to the flag but as was previously stated if it was anyone else they would of been puled in many laps earlier & a prescedent had previously been set.
if your so ****ed off about this decision does that mean you feel the same way about tander taking out bowe on the 3rd lap & not getting a penalty or steve richards taking bowe out 10 laps from the end & not getting a penalty??????????????
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 09:17 (Ref:747990)   #12
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Re: Retards in Race Control ruin another race

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The people making the above decisions in regards to these races are clearly out of their depth and in all seriousness should be immediately relieved of duty.
Ok well send them a letter and tell them they are doing it all wrong then throw your hat into the ring.......
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 09:17 (Ref:747991)   #13
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I with everyone here, I believe Skaife should have gone in a lot sooner because of his rear door. From the outlook of this it seems to be that Sakife like what his car number suggests is only concerned about one person Mark Skaife, he just seems to forget about the danger that it would of created to the people who work hard and pay money to be there just forget them, only focus on yourself. When the Stewards call you in because of a black flag, just stay out there a little longer, try to canive your way out the serious danger you car might pose to others.

You'll never be annother Brock mate, just try and win all you like, that's all you seem to be concerned about.
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 09:31 (Ref:748016)   #14
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I was watching Bathurst with a group of Melbourne based "Race Control" officials and we ALL made the "bring him in" call as soon as we saw the extent the door was able to swing open.

They took the weak option in my opinion.

However why didn't Grech call Skaife in as soon as the Safety Car was dispatched and fixed the car then and there. I don't know what the gap was between Skaife and 3rd but he wouldn't have lost as much ground if they had taken the bit between their own teeth rather than risking getting away with it.
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Old 12 Oct 2003, 09:40 (Ref:748026)   #15
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Hrrmmm.

Ellery's bumper flapping, well, they did come in and fix it volunarily, albeit it was knackered.

The Smith's Truck fuel leak- it wasn't as if the driver tore off with the hose still attached and knocked over half of pit lane. If you spent some time in the pits, you would probably find that things like that happen all of the time.

Now a precedent had been set when Besnard couldn't race at OP. It shouldn't have been up to FPR to say anything, because it should have been picked up instantly, and dealt with immediately. Probably not the most dangerous thing in the universe, but rules are rules, just should have been applied much earlier giving Skaife a better chance in the race.

Jetsetter- you can't go dealing with meatball flags after the race. Meatballs are for safety related, not for driving or other infringments. I mean if the car was on fire and spraying bullets into the ground, you can't really fix the situation after the race
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