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Old 18 Mar 2018, 16:48 (Ref:3808917)   #301
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When joeb makes his FRC for Le Mans, Dragonspeed will be my pick for P1
We'll see how you feel after Spa!
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Old 18 Mar 2018, 17:41 (Ref:3808929)   #302
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We'll see how you feel after Spa!
Oh, I fully expect them to be right at the bottom of P1 after the conclusion of Spa, but unless Hedman wrecks the chassis beyond repair, or the car runs trouble free yet still gets crushed by LMP2, I can't see how my opinion could change... considering it's merely a sprint race, dress rehearsal or not

Btw, I'm thinking of WEC FRC full time for the first time in like 5 years or something...?
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Old 18 Mar 2018, 18:56 (Ref:3808950)   #303
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A first post is always a tricky one, but you have to start somewhere right ?

I'd like to coment on this :

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Usually in testing - certainly this early on - they don't just leave the car circulating the track for eternity but rather take it in and out after periods to make changes to the setup and analyze the data. So 1200km is not that terrible considering...

Of course, full-on racing conditions simulation would be great - which is why skipping the 30 hour collective test opportunity is truly a waste - but it is what it is
By my calculation, Mercedes F1 dit a bit more than 1400km during the first week of 2018 F1 testing in Barcelona, which means in 4 days. Therefore I have to agree with Chiana on the fact that the figures given by Ginetta/Manor are not bad at all.
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Old 19 Mar 2018, 18:44 (Ref:3809179)   #304
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Also take into account what is said explicitly in the story - "DSC understands that the team worked through their full planned programme of systems and set-up development plus Michelin tyre testing in the first two days leaving the third day clear for longer, full stint, running."

In other words it was relatively short runs for two of the three days
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Old 19 Mar 2018, 23:27 (Ref:3809234)   #305
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We're all taking for granted that the Ginetta will hit the track. The future is no more uncertain than the present.


Let's see if they put the car in the grid first; https://www.ft.com/content/6369377c-...b-bc4b9f08f381
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Old 20 Mar 2018, 08:03 (Ref:3809311)   #306
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Let's see if they put the car in the grid first; https://www.ft.com/content/6369377c-...b-bc4b9f08f381
Yep, just have to keep fingers crossed the changes articled don't affect the project, although we don't know (as far as I'm aware) whether the funding is coming from the European arm of the company, or direct from China.
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Ginetta should just pour their own money into it, this is effectively their semi works team and the only bullet in the gun. They won't get additional customers for 2019 and beyond if they don't make Manor's campaign look as stable as possible

They already screwed up their LM P3 platform by handling it kind of half assed after the initial production line was finished, surely they don't want repeat of that

Oreca will probably be ready to supply chassis for other customers in 2019, so you don't want to have crappier resume coming in for the season if there are new people in the line wanting to buy customer nonhybrids

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Old 20 Mar 2018, 09:47 (Ref:3809340)   #308
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Yep, just have to keep fingers crossed the changes articled don't affect the project, although we don't know (as far as I'm aware) whether the funding is coming from the European arm of the company, or direct from China.
The CEFC issue surrounds one guy afaik and has not, and is not, any issue for the effort
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The CEFC issue surrounds one guy afaik and has not, and is not, any issue for the effort
Thanks for clarifying the situation, Graham. Good news!
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The CEFC issue surrounds one guy afaik and has not, and is not, any issue for the effort
If the issue surrounds the guy who signs the checks I wouldn't be so comfortable. From the beginning on, newspapers have prospered for one reason: giving readers the news that they want.
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If the issue surrounds the guy who signs the checks I wouldn't be so comfortable. From the beginning on, newspapers have prospered for one reason: giving readers the news that they want.
AFAIK CEFC is only the title sponsor of TRS Manor Racing, which only offers a small proportion of financial support, similar to the relationship between MARTINI and Williams. The investment comes from TRS, short for Talent Racing Sports, which has two branches located seperately in Silverstone and Beijing, China. The UK branch is purely technical and is run by Graeme Lowdon and John Booth, aka as the original Manor team. The China branch will be responsible for all business stuff, including sponsorship and financial supply and is supported by several independent investors incl. the guy who helped set up Team China Racing, now known as the NIO Formula E Team. The investment from Talent Racing Sports and the latter people is the main effort to keep Manor running without being disturbed, and has sustained for years. Thatís why the team is named as TRS Manor and registered as TRSM China Motorsport Limited. In all there is no worry about CEFCís sponsorship and itís aftermath. At the same time CEFC is running normally despite the takeover and nothing is changed on the sponsorship deal as I have learned.

By the way the TRS Manor car will show at the Prologue with a much more exciting livery configuration than current version. A bunch of new sponsors from China will fill up the space on the car, so no worries on the financial side. They will definitely make sure a 2-car appearance at the Prologue as well as Spa and LM24. Just keep tuned and expect good things to come!

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Old 27 Mar 2018, 03:38 (Ref:3811136)   #312
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Seems like a bit too much denial here to me. And there is a bit of form for it. Let’s see.
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Seems like a bit too much denial here to me. And there is a bit of form for it. Letís see.
Knowing that there is no Chinese in the team and no China gain on it, I'll hold my breath. We may end up watching with a surprise soon.
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Knowing that there is no Chinese in the team and no China gain on it, I'll hold my breath. We may end up watching with a surprise soon.
Yes there is. They will soon have a full-time Chinese vehicle performance engineer coming from Toro Rosso, who has worked part-time with the team for a year. At the same time they are in contact with several talented Chinese students and professional engineers as a back-up resource. Hard to say if there is any business gain in China because sportscar racing is a very small community in China and most of Chinese sportscar fans still recognize TRS Manor as a team that leaves all the work to British people, but in fact it's no longer the case. There's going to be more Chinese engineers in sportscar racing in a few years' time.
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