Can Webber overtake slower cars? - Page 3

Rick · 21 Apr 2007, 11:49 (Ref:1896952)

the momentum that got him signed up in what was believed to be (bugger!) the hottest seat available in F1 - especially when you consider when the deal with Frank was done. A driver can't do much more than that.

Knowlesy · 21 Apr 2007, 11:50 (Ref:1896954)

Oh, OK...

D.R.T. · 21 Apr 2007, 14:59 (Ref:1897042)

You dont agree Knowlesy ?

Steve Carter · 22 Apr 2007, 05:56 (Ref:1897441)

there's certainly some frustration creeping in there again if you take that short snippet they call an IV with the ITV bird - Mark was very short (for him). The way GP racing is and has been - he could be one of those very talented guys who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time - I still remember Chris Amons history - similiar circumstances. Theres no doubt hes a racer - thats never been in doubt but time is ticking......lets hope RBR continue to improve the car for him.

mac · 23 Apr 2007, 23:40 (Ref:1898974)

Let me list a few passes I can recall off the top of my head:

- Webber passing Darren Manning around the outside of a wet Club Chicane at Silverstone to win the 2000 F3000 race.
- Webber (Minardi) passing Panis (Toyota) out of the tunnel at Monaco
- Webber (Jaguar) absolutely stuffing it down the inside of R.Schumacher (Williams) in Malaysia.
- Webber (Williams) passing Alonso (Renault) at Monaco.
- Webber (Williams) passing Kimi (McLaren) around the outside of Piratella at Imola.

I reckon if he didn't get as much out of his car in qualifying we would not be having this discussion.

Knowlesy · 24 Apr 2007, 16:54 (Ref:1899449)

An illustrious list there.

If Mark didn't get so much out of his car in qualifying I doubt we'd be discussing him at all!

Marbot · 24 Apr 2007, 17:55 (Ref:1899492)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

If Mark didn't get so much out of his car in qualifying I doubt we'd be discussing him at all!

Getting your car to go quickly in qualifying is a completely different thing to having to reach a compromise set up for the race.What goes well in qually might well go backwards in the race!

Mandiblard · 26 Apr 2007, 08:35 (Ref:1900721)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wLADmmRwzjc

This is my favourite

Notso Swift · 27 Apr 2007, 11:16 (Ref:1901584)

... because i was rare to see that Williams pass anything...

Knowsley, for a second there I though you complemented Weber... no it was only for a nano-second

OZ_HCR32 · 17 Jun 2007, 23:15 (Ref:1940350)

I love you Mark, but last nights move on Trulli???? Not convincing a all.

I fell asleep mid Canadian so never say him racing at the pointy end. Was that cars pitting before him or was he overtaking cars on merit?

deejay · 18 Jun 2007, 05:00 (Ref:1940464)

Trulli actually closed the door late on Mark, I thought, meaning he had to take to the grass, meaning he couldn't stop for the corner.

He probably did well to avoid a collision.

johnh875 · 18 Jun 2007, 05:16 (Ref:1940470)

I didn't see last night's race, but am in no way surprised he couldn't pass Trulli - after all Trulli qualified ahead of him, and their fastest race laps were almost inseparable. Current F1 cars seem to need a really big speed advantage before a pass is viable. Of course there may be more to the story than the (very) bare figures suggest, what happened after the second stop that Trulli mentions in the post-race comments?

FPV GTHO · 18 Jun 2007, 07:38 (Ref:1940525)

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Originally Posted by johnh875

Current F1 cars seem to need a really big speed advantage before a pass is viable.

Around 2004, i thought the figure being spread around was something like the overtaking car needed to be about 2s quicker per lap, although since then Tilke and the FIA have gone troppo with new tracks like Shanghai, Bahrain and Turkey. Bahrain in particular probably doesnt need anywhere near as much of a performance differential.

xr8 · 18 Jun 2007, 08:05 (Ref:1940540)

Webbers first overtaking move on Trulli was great and sucsesfull I thought until Trulli ran Mark off the track! But I suppose if Mark was in the same position he would have done the same!

andy_b · 18 Jun 2007, 09:19 (Ref:1940603)

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Originally Posted by xr8

Webbers first overtaking move on Trulli was great and sucsesfull I thought until Trulli ran Mark off the track! But I suppose if Mark was in the same position he would have done the same!

yes, he would. Its called keeping his racing line.

The idea is for Webber to be level or ahead so that he takes the line. He didn't, he failed. Trulli, then had every right to take the line, although he did close the door a little late, he had full right to.

Kudos to Mark for not t-boning Trulli, like many other drivers would have done.

Pro Racer · 18 Jun 2007, 10:06 (Ref:1940651)

lucky it was the RBR of MW as if it was DC Trulli might not have a head on his shoulders the car would of t-boned yarno bounced up and went over the top.

Mr V · 18 Jun 2007, 10:19 (Ref:1940659)

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Originally Posted by deejay

Trulli actually closed the door late on Mark, I thought, meaning he had to take to the grass, meaning he couldn't stop for the corner.

He probably did well to avoid a collision.

I got the impression that Mark thought that Trulli may turn in on him, thats why Mark cut the corner, which, ultimately, due to going over the kerbs sent him straight across the grass.

FPV GTHO · 18 Jun 2007, 10:31 (Ref:1940669)

That'd be some forward thinking then that alluded him at times during 2005...

mac · 19 Jun 2007, 00:24 (Ref:1941218)

I thought Mark was being a touch optimistic. Most of the moves we see in F1 these days start with the front of the trailing car usually around level with the rear of the car in front. Webber was a fair way further back than that when they reached the braking zone.

Trulli did the right thing and Webber, realising he maybe pushed the limit a bit too far, did the right thing in avoiding a collision then rectifying the situation.

johnh875 · 19 Jun 2007, 01:06 (Ref:1941241)

At least he had a go. Perhaps it may have been better to wait until he was a bit closer, but he had already been behind Trulli for several laps hadn't he?

Pro Racer · 19 Jun 2007, 05:07 (Ref:1941310)

i think that battle was one of the best mid-field battles in recent times, both raced great both done well to avoid a colision good mid-pack racing, better than whats happening up front.

Rick · 19 Jun 2007, 10:06 (Ref:1941507)

the Webber/Trulli/Rosberg/Vettel battle all race was a cracker - but you needed live timing to follow it!

and when Webber had a crack at Trulli, it looked like being for the last point, so well worth a go.

xr8 · 19 Jun 2007, 10:30 (Ref:1941528)

Sorry you guys! I mean the first overtaking attempt, not the second were webber went over the grass. Andy b was refering correctly but.

FPV GTHO · 19 Jun 2007, 13:01 (Ref:1941669)

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

i think that battle was one of the best mid-field battles in recent times, both raced great both done well to avoid a colision good mid-pack racing, better than whats happening up front.

Coulthards drive in Bahrain was far more impressive IMO.

Pro Racer · 19 Jun 2007, 13:03 (Ref:1941675)

that as an individual drive was certainly the best in ages, but what i mean was this was a great start to finnish battle best in recent times.

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