What if they had put the R8 engine in the Pescarolo?

pitviper · 2 Jul 2007, 19:04 (Ref:1952700)

How do you think it would be fairing against the 908 and R10?

discuss... ;-)

pit

SebringMG · 2 Jul 2007, 19:46 (Ref:1952738)

It may be a quicker combination.......depends what the hp of the audi lump is/was! THe rumoured 670 or the 650 of the Judd......my vote would be for the audi engine....but then i prefer turbos

**skycafe** · 2 Jul 2007, 19:56 (Ref:1952744)

The Pescarolo is not set up for a turbo installation, so aside from engine bay changes there would be a lot of aero change also.

That said, that shouldn't have a long term effect as I think they are the best privateer in the business right now.

Performance-wise, they would be quickest petrol, and maybe slightly closer to the diesels then they are with the Judd. The Audi makes more torque across power band I believe

jhansen · 2 Jul 2007, 20:02 (Ref:1952748)

Not to mention, the Pescarolo is just a re-make of an old car. The Lola is a decent choice. Swiss Spirit maybe wasn't a good choice.

sssssssss · 2 Jul 2007, 21:48 (Ref:1952873)

I think the nicest thing would be for us to actually see that 2002 Audi R8 against today's Audi R10 TDi and the Peugeot 908 (a thing that regulations would not permit

). Basically there is no great difference, if any, in top performance, between the R10 or the 908 and the R8. For instance, in 2006, the R10 set a pole time of 3:30.466. The R8 set a pole of 3:29.905 in 2002. The R10 hit 326 km/h on the Mulsanne in 2006. The R8 hit 330 km/h at that same trap in 2002. And in 2007 the R10's were basically quicker than the 908's. So I suspect the R8 would be quite competitive against today's top LMP's.

As far as the R8 engine is concerned, it originally had 610hp (in 2000), than some say, in 2001 and 2002, that the power increased to 625 hp (and even 660 hp) - Audi did not officially confirm that, than in 2003 and 2004, the R8 engine had 550 hp, and in 2005, only 520 hp (and it still won Le Mans!). The Pescarolo of 2005 had 630 hp and the car reached 329 km/h on the Mulsanne. The 2006 Pescarolo had 640 hp and hit 327 km/h on the Mulsanne Straight. Okey...Enough!

)))))))

dj choc ice · 2 Jul 2007, 21:52 (Ref:1952877)

an audi R8 in 2002 spec in the hands of a good team like team jota, arena or oreca with 2 or 3 pro driver's like stephane ortelli, jean mar gounon, nic minassian and it would be competitive if it were allowed to race.

rumour had it that in 2002 spec the audi R8's V8 bi-turbo was making as much as if not more than 650bhp, not the manufacturer quoted 610bhp.

chewymonster · 2 Jul 2007, 23:17 (Ref:1952927)

That could be true. Why would the R8 not make more than its advertised power, people think that the R10 makes more than advertised power, I think that it is possible that the R8 did also.

The Swiss Spirit team was pretty quick at Le Mans when it ran.

sssssssss · 3 Jul 2007, 00:00 (Ref:1952950)

and it would be a true delight to also see that famous 1999 toyota gt-one competing against audi and peugeot!

on approximately the same track configuration as the 2006 r10, it poled faster than the audi (3:29.930 against 3:30.466) and went faster on the mulsanne straight (352 km/h in practice against 326 km/h by audi - true, an audi without motivation from very strong competition, as in the case of toyota gt-one '99).
even on the modified tetre rouge track, the r10 and the 908 "only" hit 339 km/h. toyota gt-one '99 would probably go for around 360 km/h on this new track configuration. i'd be really delighted to see a track comparison between the gt-one, the r10 and the 908.

some other fantasy battles against these 2007 top prototypes would be the bmw v12 lmr (3:31.209 in qualifying, 342 km/h on the mulsanne) and the mercedes clr (3:31.541, 349 km/h). right?

jhansen · 3 Jul 2007, 00:53 (Ref:1952965)

Well I wouldn't mind seeing the Bentley vs. the 908, or the R8 vs. the R10. Those would be interesting comparisons for sure. But the LMR would get eaten for lunch.

**Aysedasi** · 3 Jul 2007, 11:22 (Ref:1953321)

Put an Audi engine in a Pescarolo?

And get another pescy Audi.........

Nordic · 3 Jul 2007, 16:29 (Ref:1953526)

A Peugeot 905 EV17 or Toyota TS010 would eat anything for lunch.
3:21 in 92 during Q and 3:24 Q lap and 3:27 race laps in 1993.

(Worth noting that they was a approx 14sec differance between the works Pug, Toyota and mazda and the fastest private cars in Q in both 92 and 93, and I don't think any of them were deisel either)

**Aysedasi** · 3 Jul 2007, 22:14 (Ref:1953767)

Wonderful cars - and the right sound to go with it too......

**skycafe** · 3 Jul 2007, 23:26 (Ref:1953812)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

And get another pescy Audi.........

GT-Eins · 4 Jul 2007, 02:19 (Ref:1953849)

For me one fact to mention is the missing TC-installation for the R8-engine.
I do not know in which extend Henris guys use the TC on the Judd during the races. Not that his drivers were not skilled enogh to handle a car without TC (they for sure are), but in some race situations it should be a big help.
This would be missing with a R8-engine

chernaudi · 4 Jul 2007, 05:19 (Ref:1953875)

I don't think that the Judd V10s use Traction Control(?).

vorsprung · 4 Jul 2007, 05:35 (Ref:1953880)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chernaudi

I don't think that the Judd V10s use Traction Control(?).

Endurance-info photo of Pesca steering wheel, TC has four settings.

chewymonster · 4 Jul 2007, 06:27 (Ref:1953900)

This is how Audi races.

http://www.germancarblog.com/2007/07...o-le-mans.html

paul-collins · 4 Jul 2007, 12:43 (Ref:1954183)

Time comparisons are pretty useless, don't forget the change to the esses...

JAG · 4 Jul 2007, 13:15 (Ref:1954217)

Let's assume Pescarolo gain's one second with the R8 engine, how much slower would the R10 be with the same motor?

Two seconds, five seconds, zero?

sssssssss · 5 Jul 2007, 22:22 (Ref:1955648)

i don't think the r10 would be (much) slower with the r8 engine... ultimately on the same track configuration (the 2001-2006 le mans), r8 has better statistics than r10 (3:29.905 versus 3:30.466; 330 km/h versus 326 km/h). and i don't think the r10 is less aerodynamic than the r8, or heavier if the engine isn't its monstrous original v12 tdi

so probably it would be just as fast with the r8's engine... i guess.

minimangler · 8 Jul 2007, 18:55 (Ref:1957881)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Put an Audi engine in a Pescarolo?

And get another pescy Audi.........

all together now. 3---2---1---grrrrooooooooan.

i hope you didn't spend too long thinking that up

Lusitano · 10 Jul 2007, 18:08 (Ref:1959929)

Even if you knew that it would be a winning combination, I sincerely doubt that Messieur Henri would do it, simply because if he would win, Audi would too.

**Aysedasi** · 10 Jul 2007, 19:00 (Ref:1959989)

Oh I think Henri would be quite happy to take the win whatever lump he had to put in the back to do it......

Lusitano · 10 Jul 2007, 21:02 (Ref:1960096)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Oh I think Henri would be quite happy to take the win whatever lump he had to put in the back to do it......

Possibly, but the French pride...

**Aysedasi** · 10 Jul 2007, 21:11 (Ref:1960105)

Yes, good point - but I still beleieve he would give up his French pride for a win at Le Mans as a constructor.

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