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13 Jan 2005, 08:37 (Ref:1199630)
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old group a and supercars where are they now?
hey guys i was looking for any info on the where abouts of two of brockies cars, his 1986 vk commodore he drove with moffat, and his sierra from 1989-90. any ideas?
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13 Jan 2005, 08:53 (Ref:1199644)
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The '86 VK Mr Moffat fenced at Bathurst in the same year was the #05 car for 1987 wasnt it, the one Gary Scott destroyed in a testing accident at Lakeside in '87...
As for a #05 Sierra... well there were 2 of them, one ex-Rouse works car that Andy Rouse himself had driven himself in Kaliber colours, and the one Brock's boys nailed together down here. The original #05 car became #105 after Mr Sheene destroyed the original #105 car at Winton in a testing accident...
There was a Mobil Sierra in WA with Mike Steele at one point, and another in NZ... the NZ one was turned back into Kaliber colours from memory, and advertised in Autosport for a huge sum....
I can recall in 1991, not long before Bathurst, the Brock mob having 3 Sierras, engines, gearboxes, panels, and a shedload of spares, all for sale for $220k. It would have been my first purchase after a lotto win...except the win never came 
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13 Jan 2005, 09:08 (Ref:1199657)
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The ex-Rouse car was the Silverstone TT winner, and the other one was a car run by Rouse for Robb Gravett in the 1988 BTCC. I've got a pic somewhere of Brock standing next to this car upon its arrival in Australia. Was the 105 car actually written off, or was it rebuilt to emerge as Tony Noske's Brock-built Sierra?
The Aussie-built 05 car's shell was by Dencar, wasn't it?
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13 Jan 2005, 09:14 (Ref:1199658)
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Originally Posted by William Dale Jr
The Aussie-built 05 car's shell was by Dencar, wasn't it?
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Sure was  A nice piece of work too, better to look at than the Rouse Kit Cars...
There was a 4th Brock Sierra, the reshelled Miedecke one, that Mad Andy decided to take rallying, and promptly smashed to smitheroons....
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13 Jan 2005, 09:16 (Ref:1199661)
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Was not the ex Rouse Seirra the one that Rouse himself put into the wall on top of the mountain in 1991(I think that was the year)
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13 Jan 2005, 09:25 (Ref:1199667)
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Mr Rouse smashed the Dencar-built Brock car.... in 1990... PB was back in a Commodore in 1991....
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13 Jan 2005, 09:29 (Ref:1199673)
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Sorry about that GTR
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13 Jan 2005, 09:32 (Ref:1199675)
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Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Sure was A nice piece of work too, better to look at than the Rouse Kit Cars...
There was a 4th Brock Sierra, the reshelled Miedecke one, that Mad Andy decided to take rallying, and promptly smashed to smitheroons.... |
No it was not a Dencar shell. It was built by Brocks Mobil ! Racing crew who incedently went on to form Dencar
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13 Jan 2005, 09:48 (Ref:1199681)
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oh no your telling me that '86 vk got destroyed? bugger
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13 Jan 2005, 10:14 (Ref:1199693)
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I would have hated to have been anywhere near the Lakeside paddock that day after the accident. Gary Scott's father Glynn was killed at Lakeside while Gary and his younger brother Tony were still both young children in a particularly nasty accident.
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13 Jan 2005, 11:47 (Ref:1199762)
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Originally Posted by adz_34
oh no your telling me that '86 vk got destroyed? bugger
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There is some confusion in regards to the 05 VK as used by Brock/Moffat at Bathurst in 1986.
One 1987 Bathurst book says one thing, the other another.
Peter A., the former owner of the (1987 Bathurst winning) #10 Mobil VL states that HDT Chassis #14 was the Brock/Moffat 05 VK, and that this car was converted to become the 3rd Mobil VL; used at Sandown by Neil Crompton whilst the 1st VL built (Bathurst car 10) was in transit back from Spa.
As of two years ago, a collector in Victoria had Chassis #14, and had plans to restore it back to VK form. Perhaps these plans are still in motion?
The Chassis numbers used as per Peter are:
Bathurst 87 05 car #17
Bathurst 87 10 car #16
Rothmans Monza car #15 never offically issued
Bathurst T car #14 Formely VK
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13 Jan 2005, 22:39 (Ref:1200323)
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That confuses me a bit, I always thought it was the #6 car that was converted into VL trim, considering the amount of damage to the 05 car. Not to say that didn't happen, but considering the lack of resources within the team at the time, I would have thought they would have started with the car that was still (relatively) straight?
Incidentally, does anyone know which of the HDT VKs went overseas, and which one went to John Farrell?
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13 Jan 2005, 22:42 (Ref:1200325)
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MHDT,
Please send me a prv message - would like to speak about HDT and other Commodore Grp A cars - I have been on the hunt for all sorts of V8 and Supercar chassis history for quite a time and may fill some gaps and vice versa
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13 Jan 2005, 23:34 (Ref:1200353)
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Originally Posted by William Dale Jr
Incidentally, does anyone know which of the HDT VKs went overseas, and which one went to John Farrell?
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One & the same car I think. To John Farrell then overseas to Cleland.
Did the 25 car go to the principal of Watson Holden, Bundoora Vic?
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13 Jan 2005, 23:42 (Ref:1200364)
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Originally Posted by cavvy
One & the same car I think. To John Farrell then overseas to Cleland.
Did the 25 car go to the principal of Watson Holden, Bundoora Vic?
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That was the dayglo #05 that won Bathurst in 1984 was it? And is it #25 that is now painted in #05 colours that is housed in the Bathurst museum?
Last edited by Crowestar; 13 Jan 2005 at 23:43.
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