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29 Jun 2003, 15:09 (Ref:646094)
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Was that a spectator pushing Michael?
Looked like it to me!
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29 Jun 2003, 15:10 (Ref:646097)
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I doubt it, but I've never seen a marshall in shorts and a T-Shirt before... Are the german standards that low? Perhaps the others are right to criticise...
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29 Jun 2003, 15:11 (Ref:646099)
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would be VERY difficult to get there as a spectator, i think there are everywhere 2 fences between the fans and the track at nürburgring
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29 Jun 2003, 15:12 (Ref:646103)
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I haven't seen a replay but I thought the real marshalls gave him a dirty look after MS took off.
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29 Jun 2003, 15:23 (Ref:646120)
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I thought that at the time actually, and it needs investigating. Plenty of spectators made it onto the track afterwards, so its clearly possible to get over the fence. If he managed to clear the fence, it's ironic that Kimi had such difficulty.
If this was Montoya fans in Brazil (they treat it like a home race), DC fans at Silverstone or Alonso fans in Spain, heads would roll. But Michael fans in germany and Ferrari fans in Italy can do what they want. It's in the rulebook, read it. |
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29 Jun 2003, 15:44 (Ref:646158)
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they opened a gate after the race, that's why the spectators were running to the pits
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29 Jun 2003, 15:52 (Ref:646166)
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could it have been the person driving the tractor? Maybe they just got out to help push
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29 Jun 2003, 15:55 (Ref:646173)
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The Norwegian commentator also said that it looked like a spectator. He was wearing t-shirts and shorts! That was no marshall. What does the rule book say about that? I doubt a German spectator would give JPM or Kimi a push...
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29 Jun 2003, 16:00 (Ref:646176)
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ah spectator should give no one a push
avsfan733, that's what i thought too |
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29 Jun 2003, 16:12 (Ref:646184)
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I've sat at that corner a couple of years ago, and I would say it is impossible to get onto the track like that. For one thing, it is a heck of a long way to run to get there as quickly as he did!
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29 Jun 2003, 17:25 (Ref:646252)
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Official Formula 1 website race notes
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29 Jun 2003, 18:49 (Ref:646328)
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I Looked at this a few times(I recorded the race),It looked like to me that the Spectator was trying to get at Michael, one of those Nutters
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29 Jun 2003, 18:49 (Ref:646327)
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I Looked at this a few times(I recorded the race),It looked like to me that the Spectator was trying to get at Michael, one of those Nutters
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29 Jun 2003, 18:55 (Ref:646345)
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I still doubt it would be a spectator... can't see how the spectator would get down there. That said, Marshalls don't usually question anyone's credentials (at least here). Stil, very odd indeed.
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29 Jun 2003, 19:00 (Ref:646349)
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T6here was no way that was an offical marshall, but I also do not think it was just a spectator either.
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29 Jun 2003, 19:02 (Ref:646352)
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i saw it again one minute ago and i'm 99.9% sure it was the tractor driver
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29 Jun 2003, 19:04 (Ref:646354)
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It was the driver of the green tractor. When he got to the car, he pushed from the side pod (probably not actually doing much help) and made no attempt to get at MS.
The tractor drive probably got caught up in the moment. Iain |
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29 Jun 2003, 19:20 (Ref:646373)
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29 Jun 2003, 19:34 (Ref:646382)
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It does not really matter if it were a great help or no help at all. There was still a guy pushing the car, and he (possibly) should not have been there.
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29 Jun 2003, 19:40 (Ref:646388)
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LOL, I ignored the contents of the parenthesis in my reply. It actually looked like he helped!
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29 Jun 2003, 20:08 (Ref:646419)
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yes i thought he looked like a spectator as opposed to a marshal, why can't all marshal's wear orange so we know for def who'[s a marshal and who's not?
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29 Jun 2003, 20:44 (Ref:646445)
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Could it possobly have been a photographer? I don't know how close to the track they're allowed to get though!
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29 Jun 2003, 21:32 (Ref:646518)
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I doubt it!
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29 Jun 2003, 22:05 (Ref:646553)
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Looked like a spectator to me.
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29 Jun 2003, 22:17 (Ref:646560)
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Whether he was a spectator or tractor driver he shouldn't have been near the stricken Ferrari as he had no protective gear on.
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