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Old 13 Nov 2018, 14:36 (Ref:3863051)   #16
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No manual gearbox = no soul.
I've always loved that argument, and yet when cars have been offered with manuals even car guys have not bought them. See the discounts on the Chevy SS manuals to get them off the damn lots finally. Everyone wants them online and rarely buys them in the real world.
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I've always loved that argument, and yet when cars have been offered with manuals even car guys have not bought them. See the discounts on the Chevy SS manuals to get them off the damn lots finally. Everyone wants them online and rarely buys them in the real world.
Not everyone, there are a few dinosaurs around who genuinely prefer manual cars, I got suckered into an automatic car, because the model I wanted could not be supplied in a manual, it is the only automatic car that I have ever owned, and the last, I will never ever own an automatic car again.
I loath the stupid thing and grab my wife's manual anytime I can get my hands on it and she moans bitterly when stuck with my car, which is newer, quieter, and more comfortable than her car. On a spec sheet the auto is better in every way, and yet.

Guess there is always one clown that doesn't enjoy something!

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Old 13 Nov 2018, 22:31 (Ref:3863184)   #18
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After commuting for 6 months through London from the south to the north in 1971, I decided to try an automatic to see whether that made the driving experience any more tolerable.


Not owned a manual since then, and even as a petrol head, I've not missed having to change gears. And every time that I go away on holiday and get a manual, I am reminded why I still prefer an automatic.
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Old 14 Nov 2018, 06:49 (Ref:3863220)   #19
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After commuting for 6 months through London from the south to the north in 1971, I decided to try an automatic to see whether that made the driving experience any more tolerable.


Not owned a manual since then, and even as a petrol head, I've not missed having to change gears. And every time that I go away on holiday and get a manual, I am reminded why I still prefer an automatic.
Next thing will be an EV, then Mike! All the easy driving benefits of an auto plus the ability to slow down using ‘engine’ (regenerative) braking if you desire.....

Combined with a good cruise control, almost ‘no pedal’ driving- when safe to do so, naturally!
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Old 14 Nov 2018, 16:42 (Ref:3863321)   #20
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I'd go so far as to say that some cars NEED an automatic transmission.


The last auto I drove was a 2018 Dodge Charger, just the base model with a 292bhp V6. The transmission in that was a ZF 8-speed, far & away the best auto I've ever driven.


With gearing so high that it's only doing around 1,700 rpm at 70 mph you need to change down several gears to obtain any meaningful acceleration - its favourite gear when "making progress" was third! With 8 gears available there's one for every occasion; changes were so smooth that I had to look at the indicator on the dash to see what gear it was in.


I did try manual shifting on a twisty road in Montana, but after a couple of miles I realised that if you've got a machine that can do the job better than you can, why make work for yourself.


The high gearing pays off in fuel consumption. Over 2000+ miles in conditions as varied as the Rocky Mountains & Seattle rush-hour traffic it average just over 26 mpg. That's puny little US gallons, around 31 mpg in full-size British gallons.


On the other hand, our current car is a DS3; I wouldn't want the auto version of that.
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Old 14 Nov 2018, 22:04 (Ref:3863364)   #21
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I bought my first auto in March this year. Always thought them a bit 'soft'.... My 1 series was only available in a step auto and I thought, 'That's fine, I'll use the manual option all the time'. I've never used it. From the moment I drove it home I began to realise what I'd been missing. I spend a lot of time (far too much time) stuck in traffic mornings and evenings and my clutch foot thinks it's Christmas already..... The car's got a modicum of pep with sporty settings and reacts perfectly quickly enough for me. I doubt that I'll ever go back......
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I bought my first auto in March this year. Always thought them a bit 'soft'.... My 1 series was only available in a step auto and I thought, 'That's fine, I'll use the manual option all the time'. I've never used it. From the moment I drove it home I began to realise what I'd been missing. I spend a lot of time (far too much time) stuck in traffic mornings and evenings and my clutch foot thinks it's Christmas already..... The car's got a modicum of pep with sporty settings and reacts perfectly quickly enough for me. I doubt that I'll ever go back......
Both my cars (Mondeo & Range Rover) are auto's with the 'manual' option and I've never used it in either of them!

Getting old I guess, in the past I've had best part of every Escort there ever was, from a Mk1 RS right up to my last (& stolen) RS Cosworth, who'd of thought?
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My dear 8 year old Honda Accord Euro is a manual... and looking for a replacement for it... there just isnt one in this market that interests me.

You cant buy any Honda in Australia with a manual except the base model Jazz or City... or the boyracer Civic Type R that has a very poor manual gearbox to use..

Maybe I am a dinosaur... yet I prefer being able to control both acceleration and deceleration with the movement of the right foot on the throttle, rather than have the torque converter/CVT system completely ignore my inputs and either maintain or increase speed...

Having been 'blessed' with an R32 Golf DSG before this, I will not seek out another automatic transmission. Best part about that car, besides the engine note, is that when I traded it on the Honda, it cost me almost nothing. Despite being on its 4th transmission, 3rd steering rack, 2nd wiring loom and many other things that should not be replaced in under 30,000km, if at all.

Maybe I just succumb to the market and buy an SUV...
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Old 16 Nov 2018, 18:27 (Ref:3863648)   #24
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Buy a bicycle. That's fully manual.......
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My Father fancied an Auto back in the 60s. So he pex'd a Ford Zephyr for a 1500 Cortina Auto in 1965.

I got the impression he may have decided he had made a mistake. He seemed to drive it far more aggressively, in terms of engine use, as the weeks passed. Then, one night when it was a few months old, we hit the back of a badly lit artic that had stopped just after a bend on a cross country B road on a wet November evening.

Once the insurance had paid up he went off and bought a Cortina GT. Very sensible I thought. However, 5 years later he sold that and bought a Morris 1800 Auto. Sadly that outlived him.

I went Auto in the late 90s with a VX Senator 24V. Proper transport for my weekly commute at the time. I adopted left foot braking to give the left leg something to do.

I have not hankered after manuals since although my wife's Toyota is manual, so I still get some practise from time to time. Awkward though since I dare not change the seating position enough to suit me for the short trips, knowing that she will complain about having to try to get it back to how she wants it if I do more than slide the seat back.

The Toyota is quite interesting despite how people feel about them, although when I last drove it a few days ago I got the impression that the gear change was not as good as I had thought it to be. Maybe my occasional spirited use is not doing it any good.

On the subject of Kia - some years ago when my car was in for a service the loan car available on the day was a little Kia Picanto. It looked like its previous life had involved being towed by a motorhome.

It was a typical small shopping trolley ... except that it had the very best manual gearbox I have ever used. It was so good that for a while I briefly considered buying the thing just to be able to experience the 'box now and again.

Fortunately sense prevailed.
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Not necessarily these days ...
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True enough - that's 'progress', I guess!
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I have a choice of vehicles to use and will use an auto for traffic jam town driving and a manual for long runs on decent roads.
Autos tended to use more fuel in days of old but modern ones seem on par with the same manual versions.
One thing I will add is that the "so called" autos at the cheaper end of the scale that simply change gear by electronics on a manual box are not the nicest things to drive compared to a "true" automatic IMHO
The Bentley Bentaga that I used a while back was automatic and great fun
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I have a choice of vehicles to use and will use an auto for traffic jam town driving and a manual for long runs on decent roads.
Autos tended to use more fuel in days of old but modern ones seem on par with the same manual versions.
One thing I will add is that the "so called" autos at the cheaper end of the scale that simply change gear by electronics on a manual box are not the nicest things to drive compared to a "true" automatic IMHO
The Bentley Bentaga that I used a while back was automatic and great fun
That is a nice auto box, drives much better than my old 3+1 Chevy Suburban manual. The same one as the Bentley comes in the diesel Ram 1500 and it's a dream with the 3L and programmed well.
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The same one as the Bentley comes in the diesel Ram 1500 and it's a dream with the 3L and programmed well.

The same ZF 8-speed box as the Charger uses, I think; best auto I've ever driven!


On the subject of programming, my impression from a couple of dozen rentals in the US is that Mopar boxes are programmed by enthusiastic drivers, GM by economy freaks, Ford somewhere in between.
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