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24 Oct 2003, 13:26 (Ref:1556262) | #1 | ||
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Argo F Atlantics. How many made, and who to ? I have the Gorne JM1X, at least one JM5 (Nugent in Ireland) and 2 JM9s, Tyrrell Arnold, and Goodwin Racing. Anyone know any more, and what happened to these 4 after ? Was Dave Rackham due to get one too.
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25 Oct 2003, 08:04 (Ref:1556263) | #2 | ||
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I seem to recall a JM9 on the UK sprint/hill climb scene a few years ago, but can't remember who had it.....
No doubt somebody does. |
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25 Oct 2003, 08:23 (Ref:1556264) | #3 | ||
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Simon Frost & Ken Snailham were running a JM9 about ten years ago. This was the Neil White car from your neck of the woods, driven on this side of the water by Barry Goode in 1989 or 1990
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25 Oct 2003, 10:16 (Ref:1556265) | #4 | ||
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An Argo JM9 appeared in the Hillclimb Leaders Championship this year, driven by Laurie Ritchie of Studley.
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26 Oct 2003, 01:04 (Ref:1556266) | #5 | ||
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There are several JM2, JM4 & JM6 running in SVRA/ HSR/ MR in north east USA. All FSV configuration and quick in F70 (pre- Dec '79 cut-off date).
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25 Mar 2006, 09:42 (Ref:1560187) | #6 | ||
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Might the Goode/Frost/Ritchie JM9 have been the car run by Colin Lees
in 1981? Not many JM9s were built - indeed, might this be the only one? Chris |
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26 Mar 2006, 08:37 (Ref:1561131) | #8 | ||
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As advised elsewhere I was at Eastern Creek Historics on the weekend and the subject came up of Argo's , and I was informed of an Argo about 100km from me , I can only think that it is the 2nd of the two that came into Western Australia about 20/25 years ago, so will track it down.
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27 Mar 2006, 07:43 (Ref:1562011) | #9 | ||
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On reflection I think it's more likely that the Goode/Frost/Ritchie car started life
with Tyrrell Arnold in N.Ireland in 1981 Chris |
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27 Mar 2006, 09:50 (Ref:1562128) | #10 | ||
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Chris, yeah I reckon only 2 JM9s, the Goodwin/Lees UK car, and the Irish Tyrrell Arnold one. I suspect the latter is the Laurie Ritchie car that Steve mentions above.
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11 Apr 2006, 08:23 (Ref:1578308) | #11 | ||
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Found a third JM9 Atlantic.
Delivered new in 1981 to Jim Blackwell in Seattle, retained until early 1985 at least. Then to Marty Knoll and Terry Edwards [both NW USA] and then to Canadian Gary Milligan who used it as the basis of his national autocross champ winning "Lotus Europa" in 1994. There was also at least one JM11 Atlantic sold new in Seattle in 1982. Chris |
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11 Apr 2006, 11:39 (Ref:1578461) | #12 | ||
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Have you spoken to the Bob Relinski who is listed as owning chassis JM11-061-SV in the FSV register? His email is given as karwashbob at aol dot com. Allen |
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12 Apr 2006, 15:14 (Ref:1579530) | #14 | ||
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Absolutely no idea Dan!! Not sure Argo always did.
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15 Apr 2006, 05:21 (Ref:1582682) | #15 | |
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I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to go look at the ex Nugent car to confirm it's a JM-8.I thought there was only 2 JM-9 FA built, we had sn 056 (which we bought used, not new) and Wille Stobart in Perth Australia had the other. Could sn 057 that is hillclimbing be the Stobert car gone back to the UK? We did own the 11 (065) that came to Seattle. There is another 11 style car in the area which started life as a super V and left the factory as an FA. It's been a while but I think it is stamped with SV/FA. I do own JM5-036-FA and it is the Rackham car. He did race the car at a boxing day event and had an accident which was rapaired at Anglia cars.
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Hi jleonard
Thanks for this - very useful indeed. I had completely failed to spot the information you posted on the 1-off F2 cars thread so I've just grabbed this so it's accessible on this thread. Maybe John can transfer the posts across later and remove the quotes? Allen Quote:
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"Argo" JM6
Tom Johnston in Canada has emailed me to say that:
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15 Apr 2006, 09:37 (Ref:1582744) | #18 | ||
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I'll say, I only found one contemporary reference to it as a Johnston rather than as an Argo!
Though from seeing a photo on CMSHG a few years back I recall it did have an uncanny resemblance to Argo's FF2000 car that appeared at the same time. Chris |
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I've asked Tom for some background on the car. He's also said he'll look into our other Argo queries.
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16 Apr 2006, 10:31 (Ref:1584866) | #20 | ||
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From what jleonard is saying here it looks as though JM9-056-FA was the Blackwell car in Atlantic before being AX'd and had previous in 1981 -
presumably as the Arnold car which disappears after 81. That would make our UK/Irish based JM9 the ex Goodwin Racing chassis. I can't find any evidence of an Argo in Australian Pacific class in 81/83. The Seattle location makes the Nugent JM8 a fine prospect for the car of Jim Burnett. All we need here is the chassis no! The outstanding question is JM11-65. jleonard is your car the ex Karlberg-Boley Atlantic racer or was that the hybrid FA/SV that's still up there in Seattle? Also, would love some results and background on SCCA Nationals in the 1980s as I start doing pro races in that period Chris |
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Chris,
Western Australia is a long way from the other side of OZ where most Atlantic stuff happened , Willie Stobart certainly is a name that rings bells re . one of the two Argo's that came here, which has reminded me to try and find out about the one I was told of up the coast from Sydney. |
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The JM-11-O65 is the Karlberg/Boley car that I owned and yes I am Jim Blackwell. Jim Burnett owns the 11 FA/SV the 8, ex Nugent car and a JM17 FF2000. I called Jim and confirmed that the early car is JM8-044-FA. So the list of ARGO atlantics goes JM1X sn?,JM5-036,JM8-044,all early design. JM9-056 dismantled, parts in US and Canada. JM9-057, one of two built for Irish series now speed event car, back from OZ? 9s were the Arrows F1 lookalikes. JM11-065 ex Karlburg/Boley,Blackwell,now in Florida with JM-21 sportsracer bodywork.And the Burnett JM11 S.N. unknown, car in storage. The 11s looked like Ralt rt4s. Wille Stobert also had a March 832. Please do not call Jim about his cars as they are not for sale.
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17 Apr 2006, 10:09 (Ref:1585690) | #23 | ||
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A proper welcome to CF3 and thanks for all the information. Apart from the Willy Stobart mystery you've cleared up every query on the Argo Atlantic cars. [I have a pencil written note of the Gorne chassis number, but need to clarify the handwriting with the original note taker.] Have a look at the 84 WCAR results on www.oldracingcars.com and tell us if we're gettting it right. Chris |
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18 Apr 2006, 10:04 (Ref:1587480) | #25 | ||
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I'm getting lost here chaps. Are we saying there were/are only 2 JM9s made, thats why I think FWIW - the Lees/Goodwin car, and the Arnold one. One is still in UK with Ritchie, the other with Jim B in US/Canada.
I still maintain the Nugent car was a 1979-80 model, a JM5, and NOT an 81 JM8/9. The 2 models, ie the 79/80 and 81 cars were distinctly different. I think the sequence is as follows : JM1X 1979 convert of a 78 F3 car JM5 1979-80 'new' car, similar to the classic JM6 F3, 2 made for Nugent and Rackham JM9 1981 car, the equivalent to the awful JM8 F3 car - 2 made, Lees and Arnold. JM11 1982, one only and slightly RT3-4 looking. How do we think about the above ?? |
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