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very unlikely: this series has proved unsuccessful since the gitgo. Someone at Lola will feel relieved for having lost this customer in time
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you only have to look at who A1GP is run by to see where its failed. If the top man is dodgy then its clear the whole thing would collapse eventually. I don't think there is a problem with the concept its just been bled dry by a corporation who doesn't know how to run a series sensibly. For a series to race in some very far away places is not cheap so the finances were always going to be tight, its seems just a little too tight.
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Presumably Lola have the IP on the cars, in which case I guess they'll find a series to race in.
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Champ Car died in 2008. A1GP dies in 2009.
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28 Oct 2009, 21:22 (Ref:2571682) | #80 | |
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In the immortal words of Warren Buffet: "It is only when the tide goes out that you see who is swimming naked"
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Oh great, and I'd only just made a mental note to download all the race result .pdfs before the website disappears, which was to be expected given the current situation...
I've only got the 2005/6 and 2006/7 season results archived (I am sad enough to collect these things for reference). If anyone can help with the result pdf booklets for the 2007/8 and 2008/9 seasons, it would be much appreciated. |
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Search for them on Google, they may have archived copies of the relevant pages. Or try www.archive.org
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I would imagine so. Although according to the administrator's documents A1 Operations itself owed a few grand to A1 South Africa and Status Grand Prix (who ran the Irish entry (and possibly one of the other ones... was it Canada?)). Those were the only debts to the teams that I could see.
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Website is back up again - although it might as well not be, still no indication if Zhuhai will happen or not (I presume not).
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Hi Climb,
That's an interesting point you raised, and I'm always curious to know how people around the world view this subject. Here in the U.S., there's a lot of discussion that flagging IndyCar popularity is based in part on the lack of American drivers. I disagree with that: my favorites in any series are chosen on their performance (and character) after seeing what they've got to show. That said, when Americans competed in A1GP only a diehard racing fan here got a hint of the news. So what's it like everywhere else? Was the A1GP national loyalty idea a marketing concept that didn't really matter to people? Either way, I don't think it has much to do with their failure. Quite a pity if the series can't recover, though. Andrew Bernstein |
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Like you pointed out in your post, unless you're a petrol-head you wouldn't really be conscious of a worldwide series such as A1GP compared with the likes of F1 and WRC. It's a shame because more often than not, people who describe motorsport as boring are only being exposed to Formula One Grands Prix which, let's face it, can be as dull as dishwater sometimes. |
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Great input Burnsie, Thanks.
If there was much attention to the nation's hero aspect, or the popularity of the sereies in general, your home would have gotten the best of it...just like your champ did! Andy |
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Thanks to Racing irl for your comment as well.
In the U.S., there is a vast amount of IndyCar coverage if you are a serious fan and know where to find it. To the casual sports fan, it's under the radar: with only an occasional mention, major sports outlets seem to pretty much consider most things ICS as not newsworthy. Maybe the difference between the experiences of both of you gentleman follows this pattern. A niche market will never grow much when the lines are drawn this way. Andy Bernstein |
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A different matter is a driver's nationality; of course american drivers attract american fans, and similarly british drivers with british fans, but Lewis Hamilton doesn't wear a national uniform, as well as Kyle Busch or Fisichella So even if they raced in foreign teams, nothing would change. |
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In South Africa we had it all. Qualifying was live, and so was the Sprint race and feature race. Last season the Sprint race was recorded and shown just before the feature race.
There hasn't been a mention of the series on TV and normally there would have been quite a bit before the first race. No TV deal is another hint that the series will not happen ...... |
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In that respect, Superleague Formula is doing things a bit better. They start small, and nearly all the tv networks that air them have a lot of theoretical exposure. Also better is their marketing and merchandise strategy, as they allready will be having their own computergame soon |
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It is indeed accessible for the die-hard motorsport fans. But imo a lot of exposure means so many viewers watch the race so that it makes sense for a company to pay and sponsor a car in superleague. Live on eurosport2 will never get you even close to that level. Superleague has said themself that they had the investors to pay for the first years losses. To be honest i just don't see how they are going to make the step and and become a profitable serie. Maybe they should partner up with a manufacturer to get a marketing budget. Sort of a world series by renault but then with superleague. Quote:
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