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16 Nov 2006, 00:45 (Ref:1767291) | #102 | ||
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I have just been advised of another Argo over here, in Sth. Australia to be precise.
I have asked the current owner to join, his name is Ian Hills. Car is a JM8 , if my scribbled notes are correct , first to John Booth , now of Manor Motorsport, then as the car was a bit useless rebuilt with assistance from Jo Marquart /John Bradshaw into a JM8/9B and fitted with a 1600cc all steel Ford Pushrod and won the Monoposto Championship 1995?? Car came from/via Dermot Healey. |
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16 Nov 2006, 13:59 (Ref:1767756) | #103 | ||
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Bryan, that was a 1981 F3 car. John 'Butcher' Booth ran in it in early races that year, before giving up on it, as did most others. He borrowed I think a previous years JM6 from the factory to replace it, then called the whole year off. Shame, as he looked OK in FF1600 before and after, so you might say the JM8 ruined his career, driving-wise anyway.
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8 Dec 2006, 12:36 (Ref:1785084) | #104 | |
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I'm the owner of a Formula 3 Argo JM8 052 1981 with Toyota engine since 6 years How many JM8 was built ? Who is the first owner of that car :UK Goodwin car or Irish Tyrrell Arnold car. Who drives that car ? Tassin, Guerrero or another driver ? Thanks for your search Dom |
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8 Dec 2006, 20:43 (Ref:1785361) | #105 | ||
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The JM8s from 1981 with known chassis numbers are those of Rushen Green Racing [David Sears], David Sturdy and Paul Hutson. Clearly you don't have the John Booth car as that's in Australia That leaves the cars of Franco Forini [in Italy], Thierry Tassin [maybe more than one] Jon Beekhuis, Derek Butt and Roy Fish Guerrero didn't drive for Argo in 1981, he'd graduated to F2 Chris |
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11 Dec 2006, 11:50 (Ref:1787856) | #106 | ||
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Chris, don't think Sears was in a JM8 in 1981. He'd had a JM6 the year before, but in 81, I think he did a part season in an EJR RT3. Wasn't it Enrique Benamo in the RG JM8. Who were Messrs Butt and Fish, I've never heard of either of those 2?? Victor Rosso also had a JM8 early on in 1981.
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11 Dec 2006, 19:45 (Ref:1788250) | #107 | ||
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Derek Butt was entered in a new JM8 early season, not sure if he ever appeared. Roy Fish offers for sale a JM8 'one race one test session' at the end of the season - this could, of course, be someone's else's car [something abandoned by Tassin; Butt's car] as easily as it could be an extra JM8. I thought Sears did a couple of races in Rushen Green's JM8 after his RT3 money ran out... and yes Victor Rosso did indeed do a couple of early season races in a JM8 described by Autosport as 'the works' mule'. Never was a racing car more aptly described... Chris |
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23 Feb 2007, 10:35 (Ref:1849771) | #109 | ||
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Zeitler Racing Imports? Who they?
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24 Feb 2007, 14:18 (Ref:1850557) | #110 | ||
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4 Mar 2007, 03:57 (Ref:1857627) | #111 | |
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I have some new sidepods and some suspension parts for the JM9. Could fit the 8 F3 also.
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31 Mar 2007, 09:03 (Ref:1880308) | #112 | ||
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22 Apr 2007, 19:06 (Ref:1897870) | #113 | ||
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24 Apr 2007, 14:04 (Ref:1899337) | #114 | ||
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I believe this is Alsup's 1977 JM-2 Chassis #7 which he raced in air-cooled configuration. He traded this car in at the beginning of 1978 for JM-2 chassis #20. Zietler, the US importer of Argo cars, later converted #7 to water cooled. Joe |
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28 Apr 2007, 22:27 (Ref:1902437) | #115 | |
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Looks like # 7 had the later front suspension and nose installed also.
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2 May 2007, 08:25 (Ref:1904793) | #116 | |||
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Thomas R Pomeroy JM2-004
Tom Pomeroy has asked me to correct the following statement Chris Townsend made in an earlier posting regarding his car (Argo JM2) and his physical condition when he was racing it. Please read his email to me below and his corrections in Chris statement highlighted in red.
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I was not born without a right hand. I was burned by high voltage electricity at age 13 and lost my right arm 4" from the shoulder and the front 1/2 of both feet as well. I was right handed at that time. I would rather be noted for being the mechanic and engineer on JM2-004 as I did all the set up, repair, and engine building as well as the later conversion from AC to Water Cooled as well as the driving. 004 was equiped with Modus rear uprights when I got it. I believe it was converted to AC by Zeitler as a new unit and he may have used left over parts from his Modus parts stores. This gave the 004 car a wider rear track and better corner exit grip despite the required open differential. The AC also gave it a shorter wheelbase. The combination was very light and maneuverable but had greater aero drag than the narrow track cars. I retained this set up after conversion to WC primarily due to cost issues and the impending obsoletion by the "Tunnel Cars"! Perhaps you could correct Chris Townsend vbmenu_register("postmenu_1595211", true); for me as I cannot post to this forum. Thanks and "good grip" Tom Pomeroy Last edited by John Turner; 26 Dec 2007 at 07:08. |
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2 May 2007, 09:05 (Ref:1904826) | #117 | |
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Just goes to show you cannot beat hearing info direct from the " horses mouth"
some interesting technical info here on AC and WC vee dub motors and wide track suspension etc how did Tom change gear? we have a few guys in Uk racing with hand defects and they do very well notably Geoff Farmer with only 2 "fingers" on his right hand yet he races various cars from S2000 to F1 and Can am extremely hard and succesfully Then you have Archie Scott-Brown with 1 arm racing those large vintage cars and huge steering wheels is this the start of another thread? i was skiing last month in austria and my friend said there goes the blind skier again- he was going very quickly with his "guide" putting many people to shame you cannot beat sheer determination |
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2 May 2007, 11:51 (Ref:1904922) | #118 | ||
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I'm more than happy for the correction to be made and apologies to Tom for any ill-feeling the original description may have caused.
[John T. please could you effect this?] My source for the nature of Tom's incapacity was a contemporary issue of the SCCA magazine Sports Car, so it was not just an injudicious assumption on my part. I take it, from his description of a horrible injury, that Tom must have used a prosthetic arm. And certainly, a very fine engineer and racer regardless... Chris |
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I haven't changed your statement on your post #74, Chris, because otherwise the last couple of posts above might prove a bit baffling to readers. However, I have added a note which points to the correction made by Tom and conveyed to us by John Street.
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31 Jul 2007, 17:39 (Ref:1977469) | #120 | |
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Argo jm14
Can anyone help me? I am trying to find anyone who has knowledge of the Argo JM14 chassis numbers. Do you have a JM14. I have a JM14 which may or may not have the correct chassis plate;my number is jm 12822. Does anyone know how to read it? I asume it is 12th month 1982 chassis 2; anybody no any more than that? The reason is that I may need to prove the year of manufacture due to the fact I won the championship with it! No one cares if you're not winning!
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25 Aug 2007, 07:38 (Ref:1996182) | #121 | ||
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I'm sorry, I seem to have missed this one; I'm moving it to the main history forum bit will merge it later with the Argo archive, if we get any info.
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25 Aug 2007, 08:15 (Ref:1996192) | #122 | ||
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I think your best bet would be to try & track down Nick Jordan, formerly of Argo. He is, or at least was recently, working for Lola. They should be able to put you in contact.
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10 Dec 2007, 03:48 (Ref:2085236) | #125 | ||
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Seeing the photo of Tom Pomeroy in the Argo and seeing his message earlier through John Streets hand brought a couple of points to mind. One is that it's good to see Tom in active discussions about his racing. I've talked with Tom a couple of times at the prompting of a mutual friend, Charlie Smith, since Charlie knows of the relationship between Toms Argo and my Modus, M1, both being on the front row of the 1980 SCCA runoffs at Road Atlanta. I might also mention that I autocrossed(slalom) against Tom back in the late 60s and early 70s and he was a strong competitor then too. But I was still an engineering student at Ohio State and not able to devote the hours into my Sprite that Tom was to his FV.
I must also mention that SCCA continued Formula Junior in 1964, a year later than the FIA recognized it. In 1965, SCCA established new classes for formula cars: Formula A for formula 1 cars and also cars using stock block engines of up to 5 liters, also called formula 5000. The number of cars being imported and converted to what had been formula Libre were covered with a new class of Formula B for up to 1600cc production car engines. This class continued for many years until it essentially became Formula Atlantic in the late 70s. At the start of these new classes, the most common car was the previous year's Formula Juniors. There was also a source for new cars coming into this class for under 1100cc engines as the FIA 1000cc F2 and F3 cars were allowed. This new class was called formula C. FC continued through 1978 and was even experiencing a resurgence due to the Cosworth BDJ motor and appropriate FIA F3 cars to fit them into. But, for the 1979 season, SCCA combined FC and FSV into a new class called Formula Continental, but also abbreviated FC. I believe there were more liberal rules for FSV cars running in the pro SV races, but for club racers, there was NO decision required as to run in Formula Continental or FSV. Soon the class was dominated by FSV cars and ex-FC cars pretty much disappeared. The last strong performance by an ex-FC car that I am aware was the 1980 runoffs when Mike Rand put my Modus on the pole for the combined race of Formula Continental cars. The outside front row car was Tom's Argo, but driven by another. A few years later, SCCA played w/ the rule book again and added the Formula Ford 2000 cars to the Continental class. Buried in the rules though were allowances for running an under 1100cc engined car or an air-cooled SV. Still abbreviated FC, most have no idea that the class was initially for left over Formula Juniors. My point here though was to explain there was no choice for FC and FSV competitors in the USA in 1979. Everyone had to be in Formula Continental. Roger |
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