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Old 27 Jul 2019, 19:41 (Ref:3919715)   #226
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Old 15 Aug 2019, 19:13 (Ref:3922882)   #227
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The Brabham GTE car was testing at Silverstone in the ELMS test yesterday, any chance it could race in the ELMS race here at the end of the month ? I've seen nothing anywhere about it.
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Old 15 Aug 2019, 19:34 (Ref:3922887)   #228
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The Brabham GTE car was testing at Silverstone in the ELMS test yesterday, any chance it could race in the ELMS race here at the end of the month ? I've seen nothing anywhere about it.
ELMS is Pro-Am, which is year old cars only. It'd need to race in WEC first.
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Old 15 Aug 2019, 21:41 (Ref:3922909)   #229
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ELMS is Pro-Am, which is year old cars only. It'd need to race in WEC first.
Or Imsa, presumably. I've never liked that rule though. The point of the class is the pro-am format, not the age of the machinery.
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Hey mods, how about changing the name of this thread? It has turned into general ELMS chat and the series probably doesn't need a new thread for every season.
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Old 16 Aug 2019, 16:20 (Ref:3922996)   #231
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Hey mods, how about changing the name of this thread? It has turned into general ELMS chat and the series probably doesn't need a new thread for every season.
I agree, and for now have changed the thread title, but if you (or anyone) wants to start a 2019 or 2020 thread they are welcome to.
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Both Panis-Barthez and United drop 1 of their Ligiers for an Oreca for the next round at Silverstone.
(#23 and #22 respectively)

https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/pa...e-en-oreca-07/
https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/un...t-en-oreca-07/
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LMP2 is basically LMPC now

Guess they will have 98% Oreca grid for season opener next year and ACO shall attempt to push people back to few Onroaks and Dallaras with success ballast
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ACO / FIA should allow a second joker to Ligier and Dallara.
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Too late. The damage is done. And if one of them nailed it and beat Oreca then you'd need to let Oreca have one. Since we've gone down this ridiculous route you might as well BoP the cars to avoid killing the market.

LMP2 needs to go back to open competition.
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So of the 18 ELMS P2s entered for Silverstone:
4 Ligiers
1 Dallara
13 Orecas
0 Multimatics

Of the 9 WEC P2s:
0 Ligiers
1 Dallara
8 Orecas
0 Multimatics

The IMSA P2 duel is 0 anything except Oreca.

And AsLMS is like the wild west, but east according to everyone to their west. I'm pretty sure they can still run Lola B07/40 as far as I can tell.

Is this a problem in the ACOs eyes? Or who cares since there are entries?
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Too late. The damage is done. And if one of them nailed it and beat Oreca then you'd need to let Oreca have one. Since we've gone down this ridiculous route you might as well BoP the cars to avoid killing the market.

LMP2 needs to go back to open competition.
It needs to but it won't. Not any time soon. We are approaching the logical conclusion of this rule set: everyone converging on the best chassis.

The next step is success ballast, which might work for the regular season but is a headache for Le Mans because it includes non-regular season competitors.

And maybe a control tyre, because that removes another variable and variables are apparently the devil's work.
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And AsLMS is like the wild west, but east according to everyone to their west. I'm pretty sure they can still run Lola B07/40 as far as I can tell.
Only coupes are allowed as far as I recall, but that still grants plenty of access to pre-gen-2017, including Oreca 05, Onroak JSP2, SMP BR01, Dome S103, HPD ARX-04b, ADESS-Kodewa T128, the _million_ Lola variant choices, all with unlimited access to engines of choice of course

You know, Le Mans Prototypes. Not Le Mans Oreca-Zytek Formula Challenge or Le Mans Balance of Whatever

If the Asian Le Mans still carries out the pre-2017 P2 "Ams" into 2020-21 season, it will be the very last place in the world where wording "Le Mans Prototypes" stays true. Even if their tech has been frozen for years now, and there were cost cap measures at place for the 2011, at least at the time they were conceived, they were Prototypes, not spec or bop cars.

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It needs to but it won't. Not any time soon. We are approaching the logical conclusion of this rule set: everyone's money converging on the best chassis and Hugh de Chaunac's back pocket.
Let's not beat about the bush here; the justifications given at the time the chassis limitation was proposed were dubious at best, particularly because they were announced after the LMP2 chassis market had come out of its growing pains and was offering genuine choice while adhering to the cost cap.

I realise it will only ever be a thought exercise, but I wonder how the real-terms spend on chassis now compares to then - given that this was the one of the main reasons given by the ACO to support the restriction.
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