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Old 2 Aug 2019, 16:40 (Ref:3920841)   #6586
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IIRC even just the FIA moniker costs great deal of money for the events. And FIA and the ACO have had their differences shown in recent years, Beaumesnil has even wanted to downplay their role...

The manufacturer(s) would still have come for LM, even if the actual series had been regional / cup based in nature and contested mostly, if not entirely by privateers...
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Old 2 Aug 2019, 21:36 (Ref:3920880)   #6587
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Pandering to manufacturers is why we're in this mess in the first place. How will we solve it? We'll pander to manufacturers! Who'll then slag off the few people who do put in the effort to come and fight them despite an impossible to overcome disadvantage.

It doesn't take a genius to see the failings in everything here. What a good ecosystem the ACO and Toyota are building here.
I'm not following your line of thought... Toyota was there for the first season of the wec and committed because of the hybrid aspect. You're saying that they should take a hike to pander to tiny names like SMP's and ByKolles's who flake and quit? Teams that can't make a full season or even stay on for more than a year? All because big bad Toyota fires on all cylinders for once and had the nerve to answer a question, oh and run a hybrid car. SMP already left and the guy gave his opinion.

Their efforts were not big investments and what did they give to the series besides a two car entry for a season or in ByKolles case, not even a single car for the entire season? Toyota otoh has been a constant since 2012, going on their 9th straight season, joined the series early and saved it from being an Audi vs 2 or 3 other cars in the series' inaugural year. The wec would have been over before it started.

I don't know about you but I wouldn't be interested in joining a series that tells you to get lost because you are running a hybrid car and others are not so it's unfair to them. I wouldn't want to join a series that caters to teams doing lower effort work then expect to be immediately winning races vs your fastest sportscar in the world. These are the things that you have to weigh when you think about their decisions. They're far from perfect and the eot is not either but you have Toyota who put forth effort in their car, joined the series to show the hybrid benefits etc. You can see how they might like to keep the one manufacturer left of what was 4 in lmp1-h, and also allow them to use the hybrid as the rules originally intended. As bad as it is that they have an advantage, they are in a bind with keeping everyone happy or losing their biggest players.
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Old 2 Aug 2019, 22:15 (Ref:3920882)   #6588
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That’s not what I said at all, lol.

Toyota saved the WEC. Who needs the little guys. They’re nobodies.
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Old 3 Aug 2019, 03:59 (Ref:3920915)   #6589
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I want to reiterate that I don't understand why everyone dogpiled on Dragonspeed for giving up and veto'ing the new tires, which never happened, but when it turns out SMP were the ones who gave up and the ones that veto'd the tires they're the good guys.

Without a world championship we would probably be talking about Audi's 18th win in 20 years right now. It's sports car racing, there will always be down years. Why crap on the good ones at the same time? I don't even think the hybrid advantage in 2019 rules was near as bad as the diesel bias. There was years Audi or Peugeot had like 200hp and a stint advantage over petrol cars with otherwise identical regulations. Just take a look at the last Le Mans under the old LMP1 rules again. Rebellion was 6.5s off the Audis and worse yet 27kph slower in the speed trap while only 5kph faster than a stock block LMP2. And that's a good year, in 2011 before WEC started they were 11s off in the race. These days that wouldn't even put you in the top 5 in LMP2. Even with the 1 lap stint disadvantage 2019 was by far the most reasonable chance a privateer had to win since 2005.
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Old 3 Aug 2019, 12:36 (Ref:3920962)   #6590
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The privateer petrol cars in 20067-201X never hany real chance yes, but no-one realistically expected them to. The rules did not have strict pretense of equality, like they now (supposedly) do. Besides the main thing was that- after 2008 anyway - they actually were able to win races in ALMS and LMS, while factories concentrated on the big races and later ILMC/WEC... So they did end up having good ROI for much of the season. No-one was forcing you to be 5th or whatever in every race because the regional series were there. But then they banned the doors for that.

Meanwhile every other category started edging closer towards "everyone should be a winner" ideology with proam classes and whatever cheap so they came up with the poor man's privateer trophy for P1 privateers but obviously that was the poorest of compensations.
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A minor diversion in the thread, to share this rather long video of the TS050 at Barcelona which appears to have been posted today: https://youtu.be/Y9r9DgIVojk
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A minor diversion in the thread, to share this rather long video of the TS050 at Barcelona which appears to have been posted today: https://youtu.be/Y9r9DgIVojk
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A minor diversion in the thread, to share this rather long video of the TS050 at Barcelona which appears to have been posted today: https://youtu.be/Y9r9DgIVojk

Minor maybe - but welcome.......
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With the current lack of anything much happening re WEC it was nice to see tis video, thank you for posting the link
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Toyota LMP1 team boss Rob Leupen has expressed an interest in targeting Porsche’s lap record at the Nurburgring Nordschleife with an upgraded TS050 Hybrid.

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...ecord/4509806/
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Toyota LMP1 team boss Rob Leupen has expressed an interest in targeting Porsche’s lap record at the Nurburgring Nordschleife with an upgraded TS050 Hybrid.

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...ecord/4509806/
Maybe he read my post.
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Old 14 Aug 2019, 17:00 (Ref:3922743)   #6597
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Hope it doesn’t distract too much from the WEC project
They are facing some pretty stiff competition this year
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Yup, each car has some tough competition. From the other and the rule book.
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I'm not sure what it would have to do with the wec program because he made it out to be after the TS050 is retired that they might be interested. At least if they go for a record it won't be at the cost of an entry or instead of one (two). The hypercar will be racing and the 050 can be their record setter. They should try Pikes Peak too
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