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Old 7 Aug 2019, 04:42 (Ref:3921769)   #856
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You never said anything at buying an engine. Regardless it is a pointless comparison. A TCR engine is 1/10th the cost of a Supercar engine, but who cares? It is like comparing laptimes.

Supercar teams in TCR is not the issue.

Honda and Hyundai are the form cars and seem to be going ok. The cars are plentiful and all the issues seem to be sorted.

However ARG wanted the other brands in and the Kelly's got the gong because Subaru were interested. Anybody else with a brain would have known that car is an undeveloped dog. Nobody has spares because ARG didn't pay for them. Also, by the claims made about the series, they perhaps shouldn't have been needed. 350hp isn't exactly a high strung engine. I would also posit that there wasn't a spare engine at Top Run to buy...

GRM are going a little better but the Renault is also suffering under development, but that manufacturer experiment looks to be successful.

How long before we know how much of all of this is self sustaining and can operate without the promoter kicking in millions to populate the train set?
The Alfa, Audi and on its day VW go ok too.

Id say the people that have to source the finance and pay the bills for both series are concerned regarding the costs.

We get it - you dont like top run or the Subaru, or ARG and seem to be pretty down on the series in general here and worldwide. Its ok, you dont have to like it - no ones going to think less of you. it's getting a bit like a broken record though.

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Old 7 Aug 2019, 06:14 (Ref:3921773)   #857
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We get it - you dont like top run or the Subaru, or ARG and seem to be pretty down on the series in general here and worldwide. Its ok, you dont have to like it - no ones going to think less of you. it's getting a bit like a broken record though.
That is bullshit. I admire the commitment and vision that ARG show with this, but right now it is an illusion. I've really enjoyed the racing this year and I've watched more local and international TCR this year than any other series. I've enjoyed some very talented and likeable youngsters running up the front, and also enjoyed some of the big name cameos in unfamiliar cars.

it is however amateur hour to spend $5m to get a series up and running and lose so many entries due to a lack of spares which you would think would be part of the package, especially given how crash-happy TCR is overseas. If you're paying $220k for a car, surely $8k-$10k for a spare engine doesn't break the bank?

The Subaru has barely finished a race overseas and isn't a competitive car, and it is more of an orphan than any of the other cars. Anybody who has watched any TCR would know that. Andre's driving was in some ways heroic but hard on the machine, which may have already been long in the tooth. I'm kinda hoping the Kelly's take over the homologation of it and sort it out. They have a lot of capacity in their operation and depending on what they do with the Supercars team, maybe some of them could be looking for more work.

GRM have also hinted at some further involvement with the Renault.
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Old 7 Aug 2019, 11:34 (Ref:3921808)   #858
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Edit - Already raised in other thread. Sorry!

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Old 7 Aug 2019, 11:38 (Ref:3921809)   #859
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Several members of the motorsport fraternity who were there, are insinuating that it was.
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Old 8 Aug 2019, 01:33 (Ref:3921885)   #860
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The Subaru has barely finished a race overseas and isn't a competitive car, and it is more of an orphan than any of the other cars. Anybody who has watched any TCR would know that. Andre's driving was in some ways heroic but hard on the machine, which may have already been long in the tooth. I'm kinda hoping the Kelly's take over the homologation of it and sort it out. They have a lot of capacity in their operation and depending on what they do with the Supercars team, maybe some of them could be looking for more work.
Given they have had a good look at the WRX, and assuming Top Run doesnt want to relinquish rights they may be better off taking the concept and looking at something like the Levorg (assuming that a) Subaru is interested and b) this is possible to have multiple cars from same manuf in series) .

I notice there are a hell of a lot of Subaru BRZ's running around in the USA series ( not sure if thats the same regs?) but even they seem to be a better option at this point.

Thing is, given the Kellys have no experience in putting together an FWD package, there probably isnt huge experience in this country to do so (FWD) at a professional level, and lets face it the Nissan was / is pretty average in V8SC and totally under developed - there is little reason to think that they can do a better job.
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Old 8 Aug 2019, 06:19 (Ref:3921897)   #861
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I wonder if any team will pickup the Pegueots? They are going good in TCR Europe - perhaps KR?

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Old 8 Aug 2019, 06:34 (Ref:3921899)   #862
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I'm surprised Peugeot isn't already represented.
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Old 8 Aug 2019, 08:05 (Ref:3921910)   #863
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this is possible to have multiple cars from same manuf in series) .
Hyundai offer the i30N and the Veloster side by side - though I am unsure if TCR allows homologation from different vendors for the same brand.
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Old 8 Aug 2019, 08:06 (Ref:3921912)   #864
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Judging by a recent social media post by Ms Angelo, it doesn't appear her seat is secure anymore.
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Old 8 Aug 2019, 08:50 (Ref:3921914)   #865
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Judging by a recent social media post by Ms Angelo, it doesn't appear her seat is secure anymore.
The seat is ok... itís the big noisy air pump thing with the hole in it and bits of metal covered in oil dripping on the ground that may not concur...
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None of the Misses have impressed, relative to male counterparts I thought of similar ability.

I kinda expected Mrs Tander to show them a, clean pair of heels in by far the best car of the bunch, but I think Molly Taylor has been the standout given the relative car pace. Am I being unfair?

It would seem Leanne is working on a deal for next year, and he had some form of relationship with the ARG decision makers in the past.
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Old 8 Aug 2019, 09:24 (Ref:3921922)   #867
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Ms Whitley has been the most consistent.
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Old 11 Aug 2019, 01:15 (Ref:3922252)   #868
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Marty Brant is in with some Cupras:
https://autoaction.com.au/2019/08/15...E4OQamC255rnys

Given the prices I am not surprised, even if Seat isn't sold here.
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Marty Brant is in with some Cupras:
https://autoaction.com.au/2019/08/15...E4OQamC255rnys

Given the prices I am not surprised, even if Seat isn't sold here.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a Seat Cupra TCR car, they have exactly the same running gear as the VW and the Audi, and are built in the same Facility in Spain.

I had a good look at Robert Delgrens Cupra, at the last round of the Swedish TCR Championship at Falconberg, were he won 3 from 3 races in a dominant fashion. Its a neat package and represents great value for money, both new and second hand.

Smart decision Marty old mate. As to who might drive the car, I couldn't possibly guess! LOL.
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