Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One


View Poll Results: Who gets your vote?
Mercedes 0 0%
Ferrari 2 7.69%
Red Bull 3 11.54%
McLaren 0 0%
Renault 0 0%
Alfa Romeo 1 3.85%
Haas 0 0%
Toro Rosso 14 53.85%
Racing Point 4 15.38%
Williams 2 7.69%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 29 Jul 2019, 08:35 (Ref:3920189)   #16
crmalcolm
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Ireland
Posts: 4,346
crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!
Ferrari, got everything right with both cars, and only let down by one of their drivers.
crmalcolm is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 10:32 (Ref:3920208)   #17
E.B
Veteran
 
E.B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
United Kingdom
About 7kms East of Albert Park Melbourne
Posts: 2,698
E.B should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridE.B should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridE.B should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridE.B should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
Ferrari, got everything right with both cars, and only let down by one of their drivers.
Hmmm.... it is Team of the Grand Prix as opposed to race, and Ferrari had both cars fail in qualifying, one not managing a lap.
E.B is online now  
__________________
"The unfortunate thing about the changes coming in next year is that they are all restrictions" : Adrian Newey.
Junior Member - The Great Bauble's SOF Club. Member #4
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 16:37 (Ref:3920252)   #18
crmalcolm
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Ireland
Posts: 4,346
crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by E.B View Post
Hmmm.... it is Team of the Grand Prix as opposed to race, and Ferrari had both cars fail in qualifying, one not managing a lap.
What is a Grand Prix? Is there a difference between a Grand Prix and a race?

Collins' definition: 'A Grand Prix is one of a series of races'

How can STR be Team of the GP if they only qualified 14th and 17th?
crmalcolm is offline  
__________________
"It was really frustrating to stay behind slower cars, it ended up to be a fairly boring race for me."
"Wasn't fair! I brake for animals, Lewis doesn't"
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 17:12 (Ref:3920255)   #19
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
Veteran
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 18,073
bjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by E.B View Post
Hmmm.... it is Team of the Grand Prix as opposed to race, and Ferrari had both cars fail in qualifying, one not managing a lap.
Both cars did fail in qualifying but that was down to unforeseen technical issues, rather than the team itself.
bjohnsonsmith is offline  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 17:18 (Ref:3920256)   #20
Greem
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Greem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,310
Greem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGreem will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
What is a Grand Prix? Is there a difference between a Grand Prix and a race?

Collins' definition: 'A Grand Prix is one of a series of races'

How can STR be Team of the GP if they only qualified 14th and 17th?
How on earth can we all have differing opinions based on differing viewpoints and biases? How dare we all be different!
Greem is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 17:48 (Ref:3920258)   #21
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 8,969
Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Ferrari made a mess of at least 2 pit stops. Continually churning out 4-5 second stops is not good enough to win titles.
Akrapovic is online now  
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 18:06 (Ref:3920261)   #22
Richard Casto
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Richard Casto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
United States
Durham, NC, USA
Posts: 3,248
Richard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
What is a Grand Prix? Is there a difference between a Grand Prix and a race?
The standard I personally use is for the "event" as defined by the FIA rules. Which roughly covers everything from FP1 all the way through the podium. That also broadly covers the span of which we fans will talk about when it comes to a "GP". When we are talking free practice, qualifying, and race it typically is within context of a given "GP".

It would be a pretty boring discussion if all we did was effectively look at something like "team points" as defined by the race on Sunday. My perspective is that teams have a bit of a pecking order as they come into the weekend. You will have teams like Mercedes at the top and Williams at the bottom. That is the starting point. I tend to look at the entire weekend. How did the team "as a whole" perform relative their capabilities.

So for me... Any team could end up effectively winning this unofficial pole as run here. And frequently for me, it is teams like Mercedes who are excellent and execute to the level we expect given their reputation. But it could be others if they stand out.

So lets say that Williams came in with a string a poor performances and then somehow managed to keep their nose clean all weekend (no unforced errors) and then also maybe clawed their way up the grid a bit over the entire weekend. Basically breaking out from their pattern of... sucking. Then I could see me giving "Team of the GP" even if they still finished down in the order.

I will typically deduct points (in my own head) for teams as they screw up over the weekend. Such as creating negative drama during free practice, qualifying badly, etc. And I tend to look again at the team and not just one driver who might do well. So I am expecting BOTH cars to perform to their capabilities or above. Singular performances helps when it comes to "Driver of the GP". Not that I require both to do well for the "Team" part, but it helps.

I also don't put much thought into any of this. It is mostly a semi-gut reaction based upon all of the above. I probably spend no more than 2-3 minutes thinking about this question if I even decide to submit a response to the poll. I spent more time typing this up than I have spent thinking about this topic in the past.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
How can STR be Team of the GP if they only qualified 14th and 17th?
So lets look at STR. If you look at their qualifying positions over the past few races, they are +/- about where they have been. Sometimes they are better, sometimes not. But in a relatively chaotic race in which there were plenty of opportunities to get it wrong. And getting is wrong can be things like wrong strategy, driver error, etc. They seemed to not do that. And managed to get both cars significantly higher up in the finishing order than they qualified, both in the top ten and one on the podium.

I think you voted for Ferrari. Using my method... There is zero way to put them at the top. They had an absolutely disastrous qualifying. One of the drivers crashed out. And Vettel had a personally great Sunday, but him standing out doesn't somehow carry the entire "team" with him IMHO.

Does a team have to qualify 1/2 and finish 1/2 to win this award? Again... a very boring conversation if we limit it to those who already are excellent and perform to their already excellent level.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greem View Post
How on earth can we all have differing opinions based on differing viewpoints and biases? How dare we all be different!


Richard
Richard Casto is offline  
__________________
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 19:07 (Ref:3920276)   #23
JeremySmith
Veteran
 
JeremySmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
United Kingdom
Austin Texas
Posts: 11,402
JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!
Toro Rosso ....
JeremySmith is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 19:40 (Ref:3920285)   #24
crmalcolm
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Ireland
Posts: 4,346
crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!
Richard,

I am deliberately breaking up your post, but I hope it highlights why I voted the way I did, and defend my position in doing so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Casto View Post
The standard I personally use is for the "event" as defined by the FIA rules. Which roughly covers everything from FP1 all the way through the podium. That also broadly covers the span of which we fans will talk about when it comes to a "GP". When we are talking free practice, qualifying, and race it typically is within context of a given "GP".
You state that this is a standard you personally use, and then give a definition of a GP as being the whole event. I have not seen this officially defined anywhere other than as part of an opinion, and my own view of what is a GP is that it is the race alone.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Casto View Post
The standard I personally use is for the "event" as defined by the FIA rules. Which roughly covers everything from FP1 all the way through the podium. That also broadly covers the span of which we fans will talk about when it comes to a "GP". When we are talking free practice, qualifying, and race it typically is within context of a given "GP".

It would be a pretty boring discussion if all we did was effectively look at something like "team points" as defined by the race on Sunday. My perspective is that teams have a bit of a pecking order as they come into the weekend. You will have teams like Mercedes at the top and Williams at the bottom. That is the starting point. I tend to look at the entire weekend. How did the team "as a whole" perform relative their capabilities.

So for me... Any team could end up effectively winning this unofficial pole as run here. And frequently for me, it is teams like Mercedes who are excellent and execute to the level we expect given their reputation. But it could be others if they stand out.

So lets say that Williams came in with a string a poor performances and then somehow managed to keep their nose clean all weekend (no unforced errors) and then also maybe clawed their way up the grid a bit over the entire weekend. Basically breaking out from their pattern of... sucking. Then I could see me giving "Team of the GP" even if they still finished down in the order.

I will typically deduct points (in my own head) for teams as they screw up over the weekend. Such as creating negative drama during free practice, qualifying badly, etc. And I tend to look again at the team and not just one driver who might do well. So I am expecting BOTH cars to perform to their capabilities or above. Singular performances helps when it comes to "Driver of the GP". Not that I require both to do well for the "Team" part, but it helps.
I accept that this is a way in which people may choose who to vote for, and respect their opinion in doing so. My own process (and everyone should have their own method/view) is to look at starting positions and then form an opinion on which team either maximised their potential or made the least errors over the course of the race.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Casto View Post
I also don't put much thought into any of this. It is mostly a semi-gut reaction based upon all of the above. I probably spend no more than 2-3 minutes thinking about this question if I even decide to submit a response to the poll. I spent more time typing this up than I have spent thinking about this topic in the past.
I wonder whether more thought goes into your decisions subconsciously than you care to admit? You very eloquently explained a full method in which you reach your conclusion. I feel that this explanation is only possible because of the consideration with which you make your decision.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Casto View Post
So lets look at STR. If you look at their qualifying positions over the past few races, they are +/- about where they have been. Sometimes they are better, sometimes not. But in a relatively chaotic race in which there were plenty of opportunities to get it wrong. And getting is wrong can be things like wrong strategy, driver error, etc. They seemed to not do that. And managed to get both cars significantly higher up in the finishing order than they qualified, both in the top ten and one on the podium.
I raised the STR situation in response to post stating that my vote for Ferrari was invalid due to the criteria of being the whole event, not just the race.
It was suggested that Ferrari could not be chosen because they 'failed' in qualifying, yet STR's qualifying was worse than their FP results, so it appears their vote was for race alone - something I was criticised for doing with Ferrari.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Casto View Post
I think you voted for Ferrari. Using my method... There is zero way to put them at the top. They had an absolutely disastrous qualifying. One of the drivers crashed out. And Vettel had a personally great Sunday, but him standing out doesn't somehow carry the entire "team" with him IMHO.
As we have both agreed, we all reach our decisions based on differing viewpoints. I made my choice based on race alone, where the only mistake that affected their result was made by one driver on one corner. Otherwise, the rest of the team was faultless.

If I was to apply your method, and consider the event as a whole, then Ferrari topped the times in every session of FP and set the fastest Q1 time. Surely worthy of merit?

My choice for this event was to look at just the race when making my decisions as to the 'Team of the Grand Prix'. I accept that we all may have differing opinions on the validity of this choice, and respect everyone's opinion in the contrary. What I do not accept freely is being criticised for making this choice, without any solid justification of why I was wrong to do so.
I defended my choice, and hope that my justification contributes to the discussion rather than being a negative factor, which the response to my post seemed to suggest.
crmalcolm is offline  
__________________
"It was really frustrating to stay behind slower cars, it ended up to be a fairly boring race for me."
"Wasn't fair! I brake for animals, Lewis doesn't"
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 21:06 (Ref:3920301)   #25
Richard Casto
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Richard Casto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
United States
Durham, NC, USA
Posts: 3,248
Richard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
You state that this is a standard you personally use, and then give a definition of a GP as being the whole event. I have not seen this officially defined anywhere other than as part of an opinion, and my own view of what is a GP is that it is the race alone.
Agree. It's not defined for this poll.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
I defended my choice, and hope that my justification contributes to the discussion rather than being a negative factor, which the response to my post seemed to suggest.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
I raised the STR situation in response to post stating that my vote for Ferrari was invalid due to the criteria of being the whole event, not just the race.
It was suggested that Ferrari could not be chosen because they 'failed' in qualifying, yet STR's qualifying was worse than their FP results, so it appears their vote was for race alone - something I was criticised for doing with Ferrari.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
As we have both agreed, we all reach our decisions based on differing viewpoints. I made my choice based on race alone, where the only mistake that affected their result was made by one driver on one corner. Otherwise, the rest of the team was faultless.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
I accept that this is a way in which people may choose who to vote for, and respect their opinion in doing so. My own process (and everyone should have their own method/view) is to look at starting positions and then form an opinion on which team either maximised their potential or made the least errors over the course of the race.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
My choice for this event was to look at just the race when making my decisions as to the 'Team of the Grand Prix'. I accept that we all may have differing opinions on the validity of this choice, and respect everyone's opinion in the contrary. What I do not accept freely is being criticised for making this choice, without any solid justification of why I was wrong to do so.
I grouped the above together (maybe slightly out of order) as I feel my response is the same for each...

The polls are for fun, they really seem to have no defined rules, no doubt everyone has their own idea as to how it should work and probably think their own is absolutely and clearly the best option (as I do mine! ) I rarely participate to this depth in this type of discussion, but either way wouldn't get too upset with contrary opinions. I occasional get fired up by what other people post on topics that I am more passionate about, but I generally take most anything here with a grain of salt given there is no right or wrong answer given how loosely defined the question is.

I still think Ferrari face planted this weekend. With a tiny bit of luck, Leclerc wouldn't have crashed out and Ferrari might have done MUCH better overall, but in the end it didn't happen that way.

But don't take my opinion to heart. It's not a commentary or criticism on your line of thinking, nor is my opinion more valid than yours!

Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
I wonder whether more thought goes into your decisions subconsciously than you care to admit? You very eloquently explained a full method in which you reach your conclusion. I feel that this explanation is only possible because of the consideration with which you make your decision.
Absolutely. Actually what I should have said is that spent more time converting my internal process to words and then typing it up than I do coming to a conclusion. I absolutely know that I have an internal process (as described) for how I come to the conclusion. However the values on my internal "score card" are very much subconscious vs. conscious. In the end a team name pops out of my head and if you ask me why I can give you an answer, but not much more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
If I was to apply your method, and consider the event as a whole, then Ferrari topped the times in every session of FP and set the fastest Q1 time. Surely worthy of merit?
Fair point, and I think their performance... up to the point of qualifying would have been in the positive category. However... along with your thinking of just focusing on the race, all parts of the weekend are not equal. So the race is important, next is qualifying (some may say qualifying is more important... but to finish first, first you must finish... so race results remain very important) and then practice is last. So I would tend to "weight" each part. We may be much closer to each other in our line of thinking than you might imagine, but in the end, I still look at more than I think you do.

Richard
Richard Casto is offline  
__________________
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.
Quote
Old 29 Jul 2019, 23:25 (Ref:3920321)   #26
Skam85
Veteran
 
Skam85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Australia
Melbourne
Posts: 2,074
Skam85 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSkam85 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSkam85 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Don't we have this same argument every race?

Or should I say, every Grand Prix.
Skam85 is offline  
__________________
Part time wingman, full time spud.
Quote
Old 30 Jul 2019, 00:36 (Ref:3920327)   #27
Adam43
14th
20KPINAL
 
Adam43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
European Union
New Orleans
Posts: 33,509
Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
It is whatever you want it to be. You are all right. And all wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greem View Post
How on earth can we all have differing opinions based on differing viewpoints and biases? How dare we all be different!
How can this be! It shouldn't be allowed.
Adam43 is offline  
__________________
Why Don't You Just Switch Off Your Television Set and Go Out and Do Something Less Boring Instead?
Quote
Old 30 Jul 2019, 00:39 (Ref:3920328)   #28
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
Veteran
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 18,073
bjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skam85 View Post
Don't we have this same argument every race?

Or should I say, every Grand Prix.
Pretty much.
bjohnsonsmith is offline  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Old 30 Jul 2019, 13:17 (Ref:3920394)   #29
Notso Swift
Veteran
 
Notso Swift's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
United Nations
37deg 46'52.36" S 144deg 59' 01.83"E
Posts: 1,813
Notso Swift should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
WILLIAMS GOT A FREAKING POINT!!!
Notso Swift is offline  
__________________
Contrary to popular opinion, I do have mechanical sympathy, I always feel sorry for the cars I drive.
Quote
Old 30 Jul 2019, 13:23 (Ref:3920396)   #30
crmalcolm
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Ireland
Posts: 4,346
crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!crmalcolm is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam43 View Post
You are all wrong.
Boiled down your post to save time!....
crmalcolm is offline  
__________________
"It was really frustrating to stay behind slower cars, it ended up to be a fairly boring race for me."
"Wasn't fair! I brake for animals, Lewis doesn't"
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[Official] Team of the Grand Prix: Spanish Grand Prix 2019 Born Racer Formula One 13 14 May 2019 01:22
[Official] Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2019: Team of the Grand Prix Born Racer Formula One 12 29 Apr 2019 17:55
[Official] Team of the Grand Prix: Chinese Grand Prix 2019 Born Racer Formula One 14 16 Apr 2019 06:13
[Official] Team of the Grand Prix: Bahrain Grand Prix 2019 Born Racer Formula One 39 3 Apr 2019 21:05
[Official] Team of the Grand Prix: Australian Grand Prix 2019 Born Racer Formula One 12 18 Mar 2019 22:34


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:37.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2018 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.