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Old 23 Nov 2003, 18:01 (Ref:792287)   #1
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Ff1600 Reviews In The Comics

Anybody fancy a guess at how many column lines the Star of Midlands, Castle Combe, Southern and North West FF1600 Championships will be allocated in ASpt. and MN this year?

diz Tip : Go for single figure answers.

These reports will cover the efforts, achievements, successes and failures of approximately 200 drivers!

If it wasn't for TT, you would read very little of the FF1600 world.

Other classes, feel free to join in.
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Old 23 Nov 2003, 18:27 (Ref:792300)   #2
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autosport covered combe quite reasonable this year,

I'll be gutted to see it it become poor
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Old 23 Nov 2003, 18:58 (Ref:792317)   #3
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I would be surprised if there was any season reviews in MN this year from what I have heard. A different (not necessarily better) approach is being taken.

If we get the FF1600 Clubregsiterassociation going I will push the mags to give us more space.
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Old 23 Nov 2003, 22:21 (Ref:792421)   #4
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autosport covered combe quite reasonable this year,
Agreed darcym, but I am talking specifically about the end of season reviews, which get worse and shorter year by year.

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"If we get the FF1600 Clubregsiter association going I will push the mags to give us more space"

I thought Redracer57 was going to be heavily involved in this. Have you been in touch with him. See his post on the Oulton Park Test Day thread
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Old 23 Nov 2003, 22:49 (Ref:792440)   #5
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It is a very state of affairs that potentially the most popular club series in the country (and I'm talking FF1600 here generally) gets so little coverage. We seem to get (I can only speak for the NW guys here) smaller and smaller reports every race meeting with sometimes a full 20 minute race condensed into 4 or 5 lines and the classified results only listing the first 4 finishers home. Is there anything we can do by speaking to the journos concerned or, is the decision made by "the powers that be" back at head office?
Would we fair any better as a single club/association? Would our voice be heard?
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Old 23 Nov 2003, 23:05 (Ref:792454)   #6
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Diz - will PM you.

I try to give the Midlands championship 'feature race' status when I am covering the meeting as it usually deserves it - try to give it 150 words plus. In the NW it will almost always be Scherer and Lawrence doing the reports and I'm sure everyone knows who they are. You could talk to them, but at the end of the day they have a given number of words to cover the entire meeting.

As and when the club gets going I will speak to the relevant bods at MN and Autosport, will feed them regular news, get them to do features, maybe even see if I can persuade them to put a bit more in in terms of race reports. Will do my best.
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 16:35 (Ref:793070)   #7
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Swift, Diz et al

Seem to be one or two selective memories here about NWFF1600 reports in the weeklies. Getting smaller and smaller, reckons Swift? I think not. Check Autosport Sep 18 (p103) and Oct 16 (p105) for some recent facts!
As ever, drivers can be a bit parochial on coverage of their race, but I don't think the NW guys have done too badly at all this year, regularly getting lead race and photos (on merit, of course, and 'cos we're scared of Diz).
Don't forget there are 149 other championships out there that also think they warrant more coverage...
And what about the page feature on Malcolm Barfoot in MN earlier in the year?
All race reports are written to a given word count, which is decided by the editorial staff based on what else is happening nationally that weekend. Generally, Autosport word counts have been up this year, and MN has at least kept station.
By all means, come and find us at race meetings (Diz will point us out), but we're doing what we can to highlight the best races at each meeting.
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 16:53 (Ref:793077)   #8
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scoop, I've just sent you a PM to find out which of the two scoops you are.
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 17:34 (Ref:793110)   #9
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He's the taller one.
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 17:59 (Ref:793128)   #10
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Thanks Ian, It's difficult to judge height when you are down on your knees pleading for lead story, star driver etc. I'm still no wiser. Is he PS, or PL?
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 18:29 (Ref:793162)   #11
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I'm almost certain its PL, judging from posts on the Clubmans Register!
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 18:41 (Ref:793170)   #12
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Diz ,if you look at the a/sport oulton report18/09/03 its excellent, when this particular chap reports it is always worth reading,there has been a long tradition of race reports from the bar at oulton and i think its just whoever the journo is anyway. Most race meetings are not worth wasting the ink, i take it when this cosy little club is formed if you aint a member you get less coverage ,seems a good reason not to join!
The only two guys worth reading are Paul Lawerence and Simon Arron - you dont have to give either of them a free test/race/hillclimb to get your series mentioned .
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 19:01 (Ref:793182)   #13
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Diz ,if you look at the a/sport oulton report18/09/03 its excellent, when this particular chap reports it is always worth reading,there has been a long tradition of race reports from the bar at oulton and i think its just whoever the journo is anyway. Most race meetings are not worth wasting the ink, i take it when this cosy little club is formed if you aint a member you get less coverage ,seems a good reason not to join!
The only two guys worth reading are Paul Lawerence and Simon Arron - you dont have to give either of them a free test/race/hillclimb to get your series mentioned .
Hi Dave,
Controversial as usual I'm glad to see!
PL is good, so is PS, but they can only get so much into the number of words they are given.
SA is the little bugger who stole my freelancing work at Aintree and Oulton when he was an ambitious teenager, before he became an MN staffer [and he supports Altrincham FC which is a bad sign for any Runcorn Halton FC fan]. I grudgingly admit he is a super journo. He isn't averse to getting his ample bottom into race cars though.
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We all appear to be deviating from the original thread. It is the end of season reviews, not the race meeting reports that I was throwing open to discussion. Still no guesses received.
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"i take it when this cosy little club is formed if you aint a member you get less coverage ,seems a good reason not to join!"

LOL
If you are referring to the proposed FF1600 club / website, surely all publicity is worth getting. Surely you - as a team owner - should welcome as much press as possible for your team and it's drivers.
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 19:42 (Ref:793207)   #14
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OK diz, I will guess. For MN - either just the championship points and no write-up, or a fair chunk. For Autosport - a paragraph or two.

On the subject of the club etc - publicity/promotion is one thing I personally am keen to improve on.
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 19:55 (Ref:793220)   #15
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I dont think that an asociation is healthy,if you dont join then then you dont get the "benefits", therefore it becomes compulsory,this forum is adequate to air views,ideas etc and get a response from a wide range of individuals, not justFF biased people.
I have had some of my opinions/ideas changed by reading different peoples perspective here, people i would not have had the chance to maybe hear other than on this forum, no way would you get the healthy range of views in a "cosy little club"
Most of the mugs racing pay membership of "cosy little clubs" and then a fee to join championships - use these as a specialist forum you have paid to join a "club"
Oh and on the thread - be about the coverage it deserves
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Old 24 Nov 2003, 20:36 (Ref:793252)   #16
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Tell you what Dave, we are getting very close to black decals on black bodywork again [everybody else, don't ask ! -in joke] No doubt we'll chew the fat verbally in the near future.
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Old 25 Nov 2003, 08:36 (Ref:793671)   #17
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Diz and Ian:

Yes, Scoop is indeed Paul Lawrence; its a reference to a Catchpole character for those amongst you that are very old and is my little tribute to the late, great Barry Foley.
Must admit Diz, that my comments were about race reports and not end of year reviews.
Don't hold out too much hope for big coverage in the reviews. I think the MN one including single-seaters is down to Dud Candler again, and he's still smarting from being 'Dizzed' a year ago!
Back to NW reports, both Pete Scherer and I are fans of NWFF1600, so we'll always do what we can for the series and the competitors.
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Old 25 Nov 2003, 09:35 (Ref:793728)   #18
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Scoop, why not some longer end ot term reviews, there's not a lot else to fill the comics with at this time of year. The MN especially is not worth buying in the winter months, the page count seems to drop of dramatically !
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Old 25 Nov 2003, 09:42 (Ref:793737)   #19
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the format for reviews is decided at editorial level; this year several individuals will be prominently featured in MN from each group of championships, but I don't know which ones for club/national level single-seaters...
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Is it just me...........
They started a section in Autosport, I think last year about the 'International Scene'. I don't know if anyone else agrees, but I don't really want to know about G.Khan in his Porsche 924 in Kaula Lumpa or M.Musilini in his Seat Cordoba at Mugello. I thought Autosport was primarily a British Magazine. There is club racing in this country Mr Editor. Marcus Pye keeps trying to do his bit, but this throws back to the other thread of promoting the club championships. If Autosport opened up what was really happening to the regular readers, they might come and watch rather than just attending Touring Car meetings because they looked good on the telly..........
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Old 26 Nov 2003, 01:09 (Ref:794572)   #21
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Chaps,
Scoop is right. All these things are decided somewhere in the editorial stratosphere. Don't bash the reporter. He's only there because he loves what you're doing as much as you do.
And - you may not believe this - but club race reporting is about as profitable as club race competing.
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Old 26 Nov 2003, 22:56 (Ref:795580)   #22
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I would disagree with that Richard. I know of many many people that don't buy Autosport anymore due to the dwindling coverage of Club racing. You only have to go back to copies from the early 90's to see the sort of coverage Club meetings commanded. And whilst most of the above people are competitors, they were still a large market to the producers of Autosport.
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dhart,

My idea of the club was mainly for all the championships to join together on one website with regularly updated news and info. It became a club due to having to create an income source. Most of the sections will be available to everybody such as news reports etc but some of the other benefits such as discounts from Demon Tweeks etc that Jason has arranged will only be available to paying members. Which is fair.
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 12:01 (Ref:795981)   #24
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Back on topic - the three single seater championships to be featured in the MN single seater review are: BARC Renault (Fisher), Palmer Audi (Lewis) and SOM FF1600 (Daly). The rest will have their points table and a 30-word review... The review this year is personality-led, rather than championship-led. Nothing decided for Autosport yet.
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 12:26 (Ref:796008)   #25
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Is that the one that came out yesterday Ian, or a future one?
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