Great drives that slipped under the radar - Page 2

nycuk · 8 Sep 2009, 07:52 (Ref:2536408)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Which was the one in Catalunya that he mostly did driving with only one gear (5th gear I think),and still finished in the points? Was that 94 or 95?

Think it was 94, yes that was an amazing feat.

Super Hans · 8 Sep 2009, 07:54 (Ref:2536409)

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Originally Posted by marcus

wow brings back some memories why dont ya's LOL

another Webber drive.

Melbourne 2001 , his first GP , what a special day , underpowered Minardi , traction control broken , car nowhere near the best , McNish in the Toyota bearing down on him but he hung in there for a great 5th place on debut

Obviously Jean Alesi , USA 1990 , superb effort.

The next one I cant quite remember the year I think 1988 Ivan Capelli going head to head with Alain Prost in France (hang on it was 1990 because Prost was in a ferrari) he almost did it

Michael Schumacher in Spain in 1996 , made that ferrari sing and dance

Damon Hill , Hungary 1997 in the arrows....almost Damon Almost.

so many to choose from LOL

many memories indeed.

I guess Fisichella at the last roundas well was very impressive , in fact probably the best I have ever seen him drive

With all due respect, I think you've missed the 'slipped under the radar' bit of this thread.

Marbot · 8 Sep 2009, 07:56 (Ref:2536411)

Those are mostly 'huge object spotted on the radar' drives.

ptclaus98 · 8 Sep 2009, 14:14 (Ref:2536581)

This won't be popular, but Scott Speed Monaco 07. Moved up like 4 places in the first lap, and was on Raikkonen's heels for the entire last stint. That and the Barcelona race before it was proof that he at least had some talent.

**Born Racer** · 8 Sep 2009, 16:58 (Ref:2536643)

I think he was always thought to be okay; he was 3rd in the GP2 championship.

ensign14 · 8 Sep 2009, 17:55 (Ref:2536662)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Which was the one in Catalunya that he mostly did driving with only one gear (5th gear I think),and still finished in the points? Was that 94 or 95?

To stay in the same gear so long to be at just the right revs without stalling or spinning the wheels was indeed an amazing drive, it was almost as if his throttle was being controlled by a computer or something.

Marbot · 8 Sep 2009, 19:40 (Ref:2536711)

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Originally Posted by ensign14

To stay in the same gear so long to be at just the right revs without stalling or spinning the wheels was indeed an amazing drive, it was almost as if his throttle was being controlled by a computer or something.

Picking up on your sarcasm there.

jedrinck · 8 Sep 2009, 21:06 (Ref:2536747)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

The 'head-shaking' was probably because you weren't signalling.

Why would I use the turn signal while I keep going around? That would be misleading.
Do drivers of BMWs have a reputation for not signalling in the UK?

Tourer · 8 Sep 2009, 22:07 (Ref:2536776)

Good thread this one.

My nomination is Martin Brundle, Monaco 1989 (funny how his name seems to come up a bit in this thread huh?).

Had to pre-qualify so out on qualifying tyres at 8:00 Thursday morning - totally green track and brushing the barriers to be quick.

Qualified 4th or 5th (memory going on me) in the underfunded Brabham and was running 3rd towards the end of the race with Modena behind and only the McLarens in front - looking good for a well deserved podium.

10 laps to go, battery fails, comes in, has to get out of car to change battery, back on track in P9 or thereabouts. Set a new lap record on his way to getting back into the points in 6th by the end.

Modena finished on the podium but Brundle's drive was much more impressive.

In my view, a very underrated driver.

jab · 8 Sep 2009, 22:17 (Ref:2536778)

As an aside, Martin has his onboard footage from that race as a gift from Bernie

If you want another underrated Brundle drive, how about Canada 92? Probably should've been his first win

Peralta · 9 Sep 2009, 05:18 (Ref:2536862)

Lets not forget Juan Pable Montoya lapping the entire field at Pau F3000 race back in 1998. What makes it even more astonishing is that it is a street circuit. Has anyone lapped the whole field in a race? doubt it.

ensign14 · 9 Sep 2009, 07:30 (Ref:2536897)

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Originally Posted by Peralta

Lets not forget Juan Pable Montoya lapping the entire field at Pau F3000 race back in 1998. What makes it even more astonishing is that it is a street circuit. Has anyone lapped the whole field in a race? doubt it.

Wasn't that helped though by the whole field being trapped at one point behind a crashed 2nd place car?

Damon Hill and Stirling Moss have both won Grands Prix having lapped the field twice...

Knowlesy · 9 Sep 2009, 08:08 (Ref:2536915)

Firman again, Spain 2003.

Marbot · 9 Sep 2009, 10:44 (Ref:2536982)

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Originally Posted by jedrinck

Why would I use the turn signal while I keep going around? That would be misleading.

You are still effectively turning left (assuming Germany) at some point on the roundabout,therefore you would need to keep your left signal on until you eventually decide to leave the roundabout whereupon you would then use a right signal.

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Originally Posted by jedrinck

Do drivers of BMWs have a reputation for not signalling in the UK?

It is often thought that 'signals' on BMWs are part of a very expensive options pack.It is also thought that extra bright headlights and strong magnets attached to the front of the car are also an option pack which is somewhat cheaper.

Now back to topic.

Monstersuzuki · 9 Sep 2009, 10:57 (Ref:2536987)

Perhaps I am wrong but I might suggest a few (from before I was born)

Hans Stuck Jnr 5th - 1979 Watkins Glen, qualified 16th and dragged an unknown car up to 5th through all the retirements, maybe not the most astonishing result but still worth a mention!

Markus Winkelhock - Europe 07, although not a good result a definate wow was heard as Winkelhock kept a car on track (mostly) through a monsoon and stayed out to lead for 6 laps!! In a spyker that is brilliant! Sutil however unsurprisingly didn't do so well in the wet!

Is John Love's drive an "under radar" result?

Derek Warwick pushing a Toleman to 2nd place before retirering at the 82 British GP?

jab · 9 Sep 2009, 11:07 (Ref:2536992)

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Originally Posted by Monstersuzuki

Sutil however unsurprisingly didn't do so well in the wet!

Unsurprisingly? Forgotten Monaco last year and China this year already?

ECW Dan Selby · 9 Sep 2009, 12:49 (Ref:2537039)

/\ I was going to say!! A renounded "wet weather specialist"!

I have to say, thanks to everyone for this thread - you've actually encouraged me to purchase Martin Brundle's book

Selby

Javi · 9 Sep 2009, 14:18 (Ref:2537088)

not the most popular of drivers... but... do you remember Andrea de Cesaris 1991 Belgian gp?? Engine blew on the way to second...

steve nielsen · 9 Sep 2009, 14:52 (Ref:2537095)

Jos Verstappen at the Agentine GP in 1995, qualifying the Simtek Ford in 14th and racing it to 6th place before the gearbox broke(the gearbox was suplied by Benetton) in the 23th lap.

ensign14 · 9 Sep 2009, 15:13 (Ref:2537105)

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Originally Posted by Monstersuzuki

Derek Warwick pushing a Toleman to 2nd place before retirering at the 82 British GP?

He was on half-tanks. Which is a shame, as on a conventional strategy he might have got some points.

Are we including drives from the past? Paul Pietsch leading the German GP in 1939 in an outdated and hopeless Maserati, and eventually finishing third.

And, even further back, the Paris-Berlin of 1901. It is most famous for Marcel Renault winning overall in a voiturette, a major shock, but just behind him - and leading him until losing half-an-hour over the final section - was a chap called Edmond, driving a Darracq voiturette. Edmond is so obscure that his first name is still unknown, even though he was involved in racing throughout the 1900s.

Javi · 9 Sep 2009, 15:30 (Ref:2537112)

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Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Jos Verstappen at the Agentine GP in 1995, qualifying the Simtek Ford in 14th and racing it to 6th place before the gearbox broke(the gearbox was suplied by Benetton) in the 23th lap.

yeah, that was nice... he qualified better than Mark Blundell in the second McLaren (Mark was substituting N.Mansell while mclaren widened the cockpit!), and I believe Jos overtook Berger´s ferrari in the race... That Simtek was a good car, shame about the money...

And...from that horrible 1995 McLaren, Hakkinen did a wonderful race with it at suzuka...

jab · 9 Sep 2009, 15:37 (Ref:2537116)

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Originally Posted by Javi

not the most popular of drivers... but... do you remember Andrea de Cesaris 1991 Belgian gp?? Engine blew on the way to second...

Yep. Makes you wonder what Michael could've done considering he was even faster in quali

AdC retired from the lead there in 83 as well in the Alfa. And he wasn't the only one - Jack O'Malley retired from the lead at the Glen 3 years earlier. They were the only times Alfa Mk II got close to winning

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Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Jos Verstappen at the Agentine GP in 1995, qualifying the Simtek Ford in 14th and racing it to 6th place before the gearbox broke(the gearbox was suplied by Benetton) in the 23th lap.

Definitely

Also in the previous race, Diniz picked up a top 10 on his debut. In a Forti. Also finished 7th in the great race at Adelaide - would've been Forti's only points finish

ptclaus98 · 9 Sep 2009, 15:43 (Ref:2537121)

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Originally Posted by jab

Unsurprisingly? Forgotten Monaco last year and China this year already?

You mean where Adrian was gonna crash anyway, and then where he did crash?

ensign14 · 9 Sep 2009, 16:23 (Ref:2537141)

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Originally Posted by jab

AdC retired from the lead there in 83 as well in the Alfa. And he wasn't the only one - Jack O'Malley retired from the lead at the Glen 3 years earlier. They were the only times Alfa Mk II got close to winning

Other than Monaco 1982, but that race could easily have been won by Arnoux, Prost, Pironi, Daly or Mansell as well.

jab · 9 Sep 2009, 16:24 (Ref:2537142)

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Originally Posted by ptclaus98

You mean where Adrian was gonna crash anyway

Pfft, I'm surprised you didn't use the "he passed under yellows" excuse

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