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Old 7 Nov 2018, 07:05 (Ref:3861551)   #176
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Makes the AU look a thing of beauty. Time for a rule change if you have to ******** a good looking car up that much. Truly hideous.
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 07:51 (Ref:3861558)   #177
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I don't think I have ever experienced a new race car so universally panned. Every place you go, forums, facebook, news sites you name it. This is a big misstep by Supercars.

I never really jumped on the 'supercars is over' bandwagon but they will struggle if they don't make this work and at this VERY early stage it's not looking good.
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I wouldn't want my name / logo on that turd if I was Ford.....

What a way to dilute what is the classic image of the mustang into some horrid mess!
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 08:04 (Ref:3861561)   #179
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looks like a falcon with mustang lights / grill and a fastback. Looks absolutely terrible, like a 3 year old drew it at kindy.
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 09:03 (Ref:3861580)   #180
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I don't think I have ever experienced a new race car so universally panned. Every place you go, forums, facebook, news sites you name it. This is a big misstep by Supercars.

I never really jumped on the 'supercars is over' bandwagon but they will struggle if they don't make this work and at this VERY early stage it's not looking good.
Supercar didn’t build it, Ludo did....
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 09:52 (Ref:3861587)   #181
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Supercar didn’t build it, Ludo did....
Ford Performance did the design and surfacing work, Ludo's influence in the final appearance was probably about equal to that of his input to ZB.
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Ford Performance did the design and surfacing work, Ludo's influence in the final appearance was probably about equal to that of his input to ZB.
Are any of those people Supercar?
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 10:38 (Ref:3861597)   #183
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Supercar didn’t build it, Ludo did....
But Supercar were the ones who dictated that the roll cage and chassis was set in stone. You can't wrap a pony's skin on an elephant's skeleton and expect it to look correct.

And what they ended up with is something that looks like a falcon dressed up as a mustang. Who'd a thunk it?
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Seems every time I come to a Supercars thread I end up coming away with the same thought; "They don't know how good they actually have it." But I've got to say it: Still looks better than what we got in NASCAR.

Seriously, right now NASCAR fans would kill to have the cars look HALF that good. I mean you all saw that....THING that lumbered around at the Gold Coast round a few weeks ago, right? That was the best looking NASCAR design...

I suspect it'll look a lot better in action regardless.
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Was the Mondeo really no option?
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Looks good but it ain't a touring car.
Australia has a long tradition of coupés in the ATCC.
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 17:04 (Ref:3861671)   #188
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Looks like a Falcon coupe rather than a Mustang.
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 19:24 (Ref:3861689)   #189
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Are any of those people Supercar?
Nope, but my point was they aren't Ludo either.

We all knew this shape was going to be *******ised/adjusted to fit. I'm mostly impressed that it is as close as it is. We could have easily ended up with a roofline/glass house that resembled a EB falcon or even a Sierra.

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than a NASCAR likeness? Definitely. Will it give the ZB team's an ice cream headache? Probably.

The important things are 1. It's competitive 2. Ford/Ford Performance are happy with the results and are happy to maintain their commitment to the series. Achieve both of these and the adaptation to the COTF chassis will become a moot point.
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 20:00 (Ref:3861693)   #190
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The important things are 1. It's competitive 2. Ford/Ford Performance are happy with the results and are happy to maintain their commitment to the series. Achieve both of these and the adaptation to the COTF chassis will become a moot point.
Will the example of Mustang attract other manufacturers who sell performance cars (like KIA, BMW, Audi and Alfa Romeo) to Supercars

It seems the cost of developing a competitive bodywork and competitive engine are very expensive, even in isolation, let alone for a new manufacturer who needs to pay for both.
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 20:07 (Ref:3861695)   #191
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Will the example of Mustang attract other manufacturers who sell performance cars (like KIA, BMW, Audi and Alfa Romeo) to Supercars
Were they being attracted anyway?

We're an orphan series in a far away corner of the world with a relatively obscure set of regulations and a high cost of entry to meet those requirements.

Those working within that framework to bring us a Mustang Supercar aren't to blame for that, the creators of the framework are.
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Those working within that framework to bring us a Mustang Supercar aren't to blame for that, the creators of the framework are.
Yep. That is madness and totally unacceptable.
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Seems every time I come to a Supercars thread I end up coming away with the same thought; "They don't know how good they actually have it." But I've got to say it: Still looks better than what we got in NASCAR.

Seriously, right now NASCAR fans would kill to have the cars look HALF that good. I mean you all saw that....THING that lumbered around at the Gold Coast round a few weeks ago, right? That was the best looking NASCAR design...

I suspect it'll look a lot better in action regardless.
Apart from the COFT with the wing rather than the spoiler, I would take a NASCAR any day over a Supercar...

Sadly I'm not too enthused with the look of this car, doesn't look right, but then the testing camo could be making things looked worse and once painted up in team colours might make a few things disappear. Bit of a visual trick...
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once painted up in team colours might make a few things disappear. Bit of a visual trick...
Then it might look better.
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Then it might look better.
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By the end of Clipsal oops I mean Superloop, no one will care what it looks like.
Especially if it wins.
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Is it just me that thinks of one of those Future Racers when they see the Mustang?
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Those working within that framework to bring us a Mustang Supercar aren't to blame for that, the creators of the framework are.
Bingo.

I think it looks awful but hoping it changes a bit before final homologation.

The Marc Mustang looks so much better, Ford could've gone down that path had the rules allowed them to. Ideally it would've been better to base it off the production chassis ala GT4 but what would Holden have for that? Doubt they'd use the Camaro when they've got the Commodore to sell.
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To be fair, the current ZB is likely to be the "closure" model for Commodore.

Sales have bombed so incredibly badly - there must be many nervous people
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To be fair, the current ZB is likely to be the "closure" model for Commodore.

Sales have bombed so incredibly badly - there must be many nervous people
Closure for the brand perhaps?

Current sales are on par with the Mustang.

GM have had to halt production due to the backlog of unsold ZB's.

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Ryan Story is on the latest Fox podcast, chatting about the Mustang test, and they also chat about the looks of it and why they can't shorten the roof.
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