2012 IndyCar schedule

[D.R.T.]

With only 3 ovals any additions (to make 16 events) would have to ovals one would think.
Texas, New Hampshire, Milwaulkee, Richmond.

Alternatively a tie up with the ALMS roadcourse event would be a cost effective alternative.

[ECW Dan Selby]

This almost seems off-topic, but i'm not sure.

Could you not run a very tight oval with longer straights to reduce speeds? I take it the reason for the lack of ovals is after this year's unfortunate events.

I'm thinking along the lines of Martinsville, but with slightly longer straights and slightly tighter turns. It'd reduce cornering speeds, as well as promote overtaking, while still keeping the 'stadium' feel.

Selby

[Paradise City]

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

This almost seems off-topic, but i'm not sure.

Could you not run a very tight oval with longer straights to reduce speeds? I take it the reason for the lack of ovals is after this year's unfortunate events.

I'm thinking along the lines of Martinsville, but with slightly longer straights and slightly tighter turns. It'd reduce cornering speeds, as well as promote overtaking, while still keeping the 'stadium' feel.

Selby

The issue is entirely pre-tragedy. Noone turns up for the ovals despite the racing being quite good. They love the street races though because a ready-made audience is right on hand and a festival ambiance can be created with ease.

[ECW Dan Selby]

Gotya! Thank you for that

I'd like to try a race on an oval like that. May have to create one for rFactor once my pc's sorted!

Selby

[NaBUru38]

Oh, ok, Purist, now I got it.

Bernard must be pushing for a Phoenix race in late September.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

With only 3 ovals any additions (to make 16 events) would have to ovals one would think.
Texas, New Hampshire, Milwaulkee, Richmond.

Alternatively a tie up with the ALMS roadcourse event would be a cost effective alternative.

In order to make those ovals happen other than means no sanctioning fee. The irl will have to self promote and hope they make a big profit.

Road America already rejected the irl because their sanctioning fees were way too high to make a profit for the track. The irl wants $1.5 mil and RA is only willing to pay $500K or less. So they say.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

In order to make those ovals happen other than means no sanctioning fee. The irl will have to self promote and hope they make a big profit.

Road America already rejected the irl because their sanctioning fees were way too high to make a profit for the track. The irl wants $1.5 mil and RA is only willing to pay $500K or less. So they say.

At this point the IRL should probably set up a promoting body to take care of most of the oval side. It's all well and good crunching hard numbers season to season but ignoring your original core market is a bad idea in the long run. You'd drive your championship in the ground because of short-sightedness.

[JagtechOhio]

Short-sightedness explains why they never chose to invest in promoting their own races, and then blamed ISC's failure in that capacity as a reason to leave their tracks.

The too little/too late inception was for bernard to hand out 50,000 or so free tickets to the last race, almost none of which were punched.

Indycar didn't want to promote its own events, didn't want to free up the money t do it, can't find sponsorship dollars to make it work, and wouldn't be capable of doing it successfully if the money was on the table.

They are years behind even recognizing the need, and have lost most of their venues in the interim.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Here's more on the race in China:

http://www.indycar.com/news/show/55-...i-hao-qingdao/

[Purist]

I think that's the old, original article.

Anyway, here's another 'down the road" item. I suppose it's not such a bad thing that tracks are talking, and IndyCar is looking longer-term to some extent.

http://www.the-leader.com/features/x...ing-about-2013

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Purist

I think that's the old, original article.

Anyway, here's another 'down the road" item. I suppose it's not such a bad thing that tracks are talking, and IndyCar is looking longer-term to some extent.

http://www.the-leader.com/features/x...ing-about-2013

So basically the irl has to go around cap in hand to all these tracks with a low ball offer of a sanctioning fee to be able to do a deal. Back a few years ago the irl was belligerently demanding $2 million a race, recently it is said it has been $1-$1.5 million and this would drive it lower.

The sanctioning fees are the cash flow that pay for expenses and welfare TEAM checks to all the teams, so probably as expenses and welfare costs go up every year and revenue declines and you've got more 8 figure losses every year.

[JagtechOhio]

Reporting on the financial forensics from Baltimore put that sanctioning fee at $900K. I would bet money that race never runs again.

Kinda curious that they fired Angstadt, for all of his missteps he at least got them some gigs. What has Bernard produced with all of his marketing savvy and connections?

I don't think Bruton or Eddie G. were happy BEFORE the Vegas disaster. I could see Texas as a no-go this year too. The big SMI alliance hasn't put anything on SMI's table.

[JagtechOhio]

Re post #2 of this thread: Trois Riviers was short and tight back in the heyday of Can Am and Trans Am, and it was always a great event. I'd order up as many race tracks and women I could find that fit the description.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by JagtechOhio

Reporting on the financial forensics from Baltimore put that sanctioning fee at $900K. I would bet money that race never runs again.

Kinda curious that they fired Angstadt, for all of his missteps he at least got them some gigs. What has Bernard produced with all of his marketing savvy and connections?

I don't think Bruton or Eddie G. were happy BEFORE the Vegas disaster. I could see Texas as a no-go this year too. The big SMI alliance hasn't put anything on SMI's table.

With the massive amount of debt and chaos amongst whoever is running things, I think the baltimore GP is toast.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by JagtechOhio

Reporting on the financial forensics from Baltimore put that sanctioning fee at $900K. I would bet money that race never runs again.

Kinda curious that they fired Angstadt, for all of his missteps he at least got them some gigs. What has Bernard produced with all of his marketing savvy and connections?

I don't think Bruton or Eddie G. were happy BEFORE the Vegas disaster. I could see Texas as a no-go this year too. The big SMI alliance hasn't put anything on SMI's table.

I never got the impression Angstadt parted on as bad a terms as Barnhard (though BB is still hanging around it was a bit of a public shaming), but I could be wrong.

[JagtechOhio]

beats me, Jimmy.
Robin Miller's headline:

Barnhart Removed From Race Control Angstadt Fired

[NaBUru38]

Randy seems to be swating hard to get more ovals and fill the 16 rounds.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by JagtechOhio

beats me, Jimmy.
Robin Miller's headline:

Barnhart Removed From Race Control Angstadt Fired

It was from Pruett. Make of that what you will, but I still hold him in high regard.

[DanicaFan]

Here is how the 2012 schedule will most likely look like when announced shortly. Unless something drastic happens, Texas will announce a 2 race event again this year making the 16 race count that Indycar needs to complete a schedule. That is pretty sad if you ask me.

Here is the 2012 Indycar season schedule..


March 25: St. Petersburg, Fla. (street circuit)
April 1: Barber Motorsports Park (permanent road course)
April 15: Long Beach, Calif. (street circuit)
April 29: São Paulo, Brazil (street circuit)
May 27: Indianapolis Motor Speedway (oval)
June 3: Detroit (street circuit)
June 9: Texas Motor Speedway (oval)
June 23: Iowa Speedway (oval)
July 8: Toronto (street circuit)
July 22: Edmonton (street circuit)
Aug. 5: Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course (permanent road course)
Aug. 19: Qingdao, China (street circuit)
Aug. 26: Infineon Raceway (permanent road course)
Sept. 2: Baltimore (street circuit)
Sept. 15: Auto Club Speedway (oval)

[NaBUru38]

I doubt that the Texas double race will do. Izod must have signed 16 rounds, not 16 races.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

I doubt that the Texas double race will do. Izod must have signed 16 rounds, not 16 races.

Maybe they have bad lawyers.

[Down F0rce]

According to Curt Cavin's twitter, the schedule will be announced tomorrow. There will be 16 rounds, with the final event TBC at a later date. Ropin' Randy really wants a Vegas street race, but can they throw it together in less than a year?

[nickyf1]

If he can't get that, it'l be a race on the road course at Las Vegas surely?

[skells22]

no change from the 2012 date list posted by DanicaFan as it is up on the website so 91 days before your 1st green flag

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

Maybe they have bad lawyers.

Yeah, could be. Or...

Originally Posted by IndyCar press release

June 9: Texas Motor Speedway* (1.5-mile oval)

*Denotes two full-points races

So, what are your bets? Other than the Las Vegas street race, I bet for an oval track rental like Milwaukee 2011. I'd love it to be Milwaukee or New Hampshire, which are in the unserved regions with most fans. But I guess that New Hampshire can't have it this late, so they could also rent a cheaper (poorer) place like Pikes Peak, Gateway or Nashville.

I'm sure Randy has heared enough complaints and will rent a track before running at the Indianapolis road course.