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Old 26 Sep 2019, 17:44 (Ref:3930251)   #16
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I don't think the majority of people are wanting electric as their future, not for transportation or motoring entertainment.

I don't think the majority care. We care because we're car freaks. But normal people buy 1.4L diesel Toyota Corollas and a Ford Focus. They don't care what the car is - as long as it doesn't break and gets them to work. If electric becomes cheaper and easier then people will move to that.

I too love a V12, but it's hard for me to say that I really want to keep the ICE for road cars when I have a 1.4L Ford Fiesta diesel. It doesn't really get the old juices flowing.

I'll take an EV for the road when it becomes viable. I don't mind FE, but I want the majorty of my racing big, loud and smelly.
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Old 26 Sep 2019, 18:08 (Ref:3930256)   #17
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It is the future, and I agree. But when powered ships came along, sailing remained as a sport, it just became irrelevant to ship design and production.



Motorsport can do the same. Electric is the future of transportation. It doesn't have to be the future of motorsport.
The future of road cars is actually not just electric, but also autonomous... and that's really going to break the connection between road and track. Though I could perhaps see a setup where Le Mans reverts back to being a two driver race, with the computer taking over the stints of the third driver.
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Old 26 Sep 2019, 20:40 (Ref:3930270)   #18
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Though I could perhaps see a setup where Le Mans reverts back to being a two driver race, with the computer taking over the stints of the third driver.
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Old 27 Sep 2019, 17:06 (Ref:3930453)   #19
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Old 30 Sep 2019, 16:02 (Ref:3931121)   #20
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It's the possibility of having a dream come true that makes life interesting, but I can't see Murray finding 30, 20 or 10 million euro to finance is Le Mans return.
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Old 30 Sep 2019, 17:48 (Ref:3931135)   #21
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It's the possibility of having a dream come true that makes life interesting, but I can't see Murray finding 30, 20 or 10 million euro to finance is Le Mans return.
Maybe the answer could be in what has already mentioned by Bentley03 at the beginning of this thread.

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TVR > Gordon Murray, Cosworth and Rebellion

I know, tenuous link, but the engine clearly exists, and Rebellion have talked about using 2020/21 as a year to develop a hypercar powertrain installed in their grandfathered R13 chassis.
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The future of road cars is actually not just electric, but also autonomous... and that's really going to break the connection between road and track. Though I could perhaps see a setup where Le Mans reverts back to being a two driver race, with the computer taking over the stints of the third driver.
That would make it quite easy to BoP the cars.
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I would love to be wrong, but this seems like a total pipe dream.
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Old 3 Oct 2019, 21:45 (Ref:3931791)   #24
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Maybe the answer could be in what has already mentioned by Bentley03 at the beginning of this thread.
Even if you put Rebellion, Cosworth, and TVR together, you would still be short on budget. Rebellion is cutting the expenses in endurance racing, Cosworth won't put a penny and TVR is investing 100M in the Ebbw Vale factory. Pessimists are usually right and optimists are usually wrong but all the great changes have been accomplished by optimists.
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Gordon Murray evaluating WEC hypercar entry with T.50

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...y-t50/4602969/

Gordon Murray Said:

*He has already met with WEC promoter and Le Mans 24 Hours organiser the Automobile Club de l'Ouest and the FIA.
*we have had some customers who are very interested in racing the car.
*We are about to announce very soon a tie-up with an F1 team for the use a wind-tunnel in the development of the T.50.
*he revealed that he planned to meet with GT racing boss Stephane Ratel so that he can "understand what the general thinking is on the direction of sportscar racing".
*Deliveries of the 100 T.50 road cars, which will be powered by a bespoke four-litre V12 built by Cosworth, will take place through 2022, but Murray didn't rule out having a hypercar racer out on track earlier.
*he also expressed reservations about the 1100kg minimum weight for the hypercar class. The T.50 road car will weigh 980kg, while a track day version of which 25 examples will be built is due to hit the scales at 890kg.
"A racing version of the T.50 would probably come out at about 900kg, so bolting in a couple of hundred kilogrammes of ballast doesn't appeal".
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Old 27 Nov 2019, 02:17 (Ref:3943104)   #26
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Gordon Murray evaluating WEC hypercar entry with T.50

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...y-t50/4602969/

Gordon Murray Said:

*He has already met with WEC promoter and Le Mans 24 Hours organiser the Automobile Club de l'Ouest and the FIA.
*we have had some customers who are very interested in racing the car.
*We are about to announce very soon a tie-up with an F1 team for the use a wind-tunnel in the development of the T.50.
*he revealed that he planned to meet with GT racing boss Stephane Ratel so that he can "understand what the general thinking is on the direction of sportscar racing".
*Deliveries of the 100 T.50 road cars, which will be powered by a bespoke four-litre V12 built by Cosworth, will take place through 2022, but Murray didn't rule out having a hypercar racer out on track earlier.
*he also expressed reservations about the 1100kg minimum weight for the hypercar class. The T.50 road car will weigh 980kg, while a track day version of which 25 examples will be built is due to hit the scales at 890kg.
"A racing version of the T.50 would probably come out at about 900kg, so bolting in a couple of hundred kilogrammes of ballast doesn't appeal".
This right here is really important. More voices against the ridiculous minimum weight the better. I voiced my opinion about it being too high on the twitter and got a nice 'like' from a certain member of the Brabham family
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Old 27 Nov 2019, 08:09 (Ref:3943133)   #28
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I really hope it works for Gordon, his car certainly won't be dull. It'll be one to watch
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Will Gordon find the finance to match Toyota or Peugeot? I do doubt.

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