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Old 23 Jan 2003, 01:04 (Ref:483087)   #1
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What's with shumachers penalty at siverstone 98?

I've been meaning to ask about this for ages,though i suspect there is no clear answer.I missed the race and forgot most of the talk about the stop and go penalty aferwards.
Was the stop and go penalty he took legal?Was it really after the race?I know it was after the finnish line (but in the pit lane)
What did the fia have to say about it(not that i want their opinion...)?
Actually-what was the penalty for anyway...
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 01:16 (Ref:483097)   #2
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as far as i understand it wasn't and they should have just added the time to the end of his race. Because the pit was after the finish line he was already classified as having completed the number of laps specified meaning he had finished the race and by that point the stop and go was kind of an insult to all involved
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 03:58 (Ref:483152)   #3
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For that one, he should have had a 25sec penalty after the race!
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 06:02 (Ref:483191)   #4
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Re: What's with shumachers penalty at siverstone 98?

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Actually-what was the penalty for anyway...
Overtaking Alex Wurz, under yellows during the safety car period. The reason that the result was allowed to stand was that the stewards informed the team just after the time allowed to give the penalty. So, guilty as charged, but got off with a technicality. It was the first GP i ever went to, and must say, after sitting in the rain for 10 hours, it really ruined (an already miserable) the day.

The Bombay cinema owner steward bloke got banned (for a while) which was a relief.
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 07:20 (Ref:483221)   #5
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Apparently he passed a backmarker while under yellows. The cars lined behind Safety car were Hakkinen, Fissichella (1 lap down; can't remember, could be Wurz as Mr V said, but a Benetton anyway) and Schumacher. After the SC pulled out, apparently Schumacher passed (or at least he was not several car-lengths behind) Fissi, before the start-line.

The rules said that if the penalty was awarded with I don't know how many laps before the race ends, the penalty should be served in last lap. They gave him the stop and go with 2 laps to go. That is he entered the pits, but actually the line was before his box. It wouldn't count anyway, since he would have won that race even if he served the penalty and subsequently cross the line. The 25 seconds added at the total race time rule came after they saw what happened there.

Mr V is a bit wrong here. The technicality that he mentioned had the effect that the stewards completely dropped the penalty, several hours later. (anyway, they were too late, they eventually handed Jean Todt the penalty, but it actually was a piece of handwritten paper, not the official form. It was rejected by Jean Todt, they came back with the proper form, and that caused even more delay)
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 10:39 (Ref:483343)   #6
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Ah,yeah i remember now.The stewards giving the official notification too late rings a bell.
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 12:02 (Ref:483433)   #7
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Ah,yeah i remember now.The stewards giving the official notification too late rings a bell.
I'm going to get confirmation on this, but from my recollection, the ORIGINAL notification of penalty came within the set time. The team manager who has to see and sign each notification of a penalty refused and delayed until it was too late.

Therefore, as correctly mentioned the time should have been added to the race time.
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 12:06 (Ref:483438)   #8
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It's also worth mentioning that during a race, the pit lane is deemd to be part of the track and therefore 'live' circuit.
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 12:18 (Ref:483448)   #9
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Correct Stephen, also, the pit exit remains open after the end of the race for 10 - 15 minutes (why? beats me!) so in theory, all parts of the circuit are still live even after the flag has been taken. If you recall, MS took his penalty at his box then drove out of the pit lane did another circuit and pulled back into the pits.

(Piglet, am I correct on this?)
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 12:31 (Ref:483461)   #10
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That was his 'wave at the crowd' lap
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 12:54 (Ref:483483)   #11
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That's one of only 3 races in recent history where the guy who took the chequered flag first wasn't the guy who got to the top step of the podium, and they've all been farcical.

Silverstone 1998 was basically an official mistake, but it was galling to see him take a win he didn't deserve.

Austria this year, we've all said enough about, sauffice to say that it was the worst moment in motorsport since Senna died. Maybe even worse.

Speaking of Senna, the third was Japan 1989, when Senna was immediately disqualified by the Alain Prost Supporters Club (the FIA) after the collision they had, so Nannini lucked into his one win.
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 13:01 (Ref:483493)   #12
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Silverstone 1998 was basically an official mistake, but it was galling to see him take a win he didn't deserve.
Can you have an un-official mistake?
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 17:11 (Ref:483724)   #13
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That's one of only 3 races in recent history where the guy who took the chequered flag first wasn't the guy who got to the top step of the podium, and they've all been farcical.
What about the race last year where Pele missed the winner? I guess the runner up was the first driver to get the chequered flag in that race ...
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 20:43 (Ref:483886)   #14
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Nope. The guy in third place (Coulthard), as Ralf was immediately behind Michael as they crossed the finish line - Pele standing with his back against them.
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Old 23 Jan 2003, 20:58 (Ref:483900)   #15
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i remember Michaels out lap after he had taken his 10 sec penalty in the pits ( after the cheg flag ).....he was really going for it , i wonder if he was going to get fined for that , as that must be classed dangerous to do that as many other cars could have backed off ......as the back markers wouldnt have to been expeccting to re lapped after the winner had finished the race , and was still at racing speed .
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