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And if any public figure got up to the things he did now, then social media would have a field day! Interestingly, his victory at Trafalgar came about largely because he ignored the doctrine, “rules”, conventions and training of the day and did his own thing. Now, of course, a hero, but even now if a military officer ignored doctrine and training like Nelson did, they would be in front of a Courts Martial! |
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Sorry, the Norfolk origin is beyond my comprehension, being a former foreigner!
I'm not surprised to find you point of view really interesting. Just for example, what would happen during any battle if all the officers, generals, admirals have been learning the same tricks ands strategies at school? A big "mess" I suppose. Mess in french meaning: * table!!! |
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I would guess that in naval terms you would get a set piece battle that all depended on who had been able to manoeuvre to take best advantage of the Wind - or whatever was thought to be the key to success in the likely conditions depending on the health of one's crews and the state of ones armaments. Is it fair to suggest that the very best military thinking of the time, head to head, resulted in the "success" of trench warfare in WW1? Norfolk - flat area of land known in racing circles for Lotus and otherwise enjoyed by wealthy landowners and members of the Royal Family as a place to live when you need to pretend you live in London and enjoy it but don't really. Quite a nice place in which to find areas where one can almost completely escape the modern world. Birthplace of Admiral Nelson. |
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I’ll have you all know I went to the same school as Lord Nelson, in Norfolk obviously! He was a few years ahead of me though......
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Putin has learnt though, and that is why he could be dangerous. Russia has built up its conventional forces again but has also demonstrated many unconventional approaches in the annexation of the Crimea, to which we dont have much of an answer. The USA has also been very spooked, going back many years, by Iranian “swarm boat attacks” to which they also have very little answer in their large aircraft carriers (and what have the UK just built?). |
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Nelson was outnumbered 27 to 33 ships i think, so drove at the French/Spanish in two columns at right angles to the enemy and split them in to 3 groups. He then maneuvered such that his 2 groups could disable the smaller enemy groups before getting ships alongside each other and boarding for hand to hand fighting (wooden ships actually being quite difficult to sink). It was brutal. The “hospital deck” on Victory has the deck painted in red so as sailors didnt recognise how much blood there actually was!! |
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There are a few Londoners on the N Norfolk coast now. Shouldnt have been let in! I blame Stephen Fry! |
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Not only was this tactic unconventional, but in order to ensure that every Captain was free to act as he thought fit, and not worry about 'rules' he issued the following edict; "No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy." The combined French/Spanish fleet lost 22 ships, while Nelson suffer none. He also once held his telescope to his blind eye, and announced; "I see no signals." |
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Every ship i served in, and every aircraft i worked on are also scrapped!
Although HMS Marlborough was sold to the Chileans so may still exist. |
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Attacking at right angles - assuming one can take advantage for wind direction and rely upon both direction and strength - would be quite a smart idea since it offers relatively little frontal area, would limit the number of guns that could be brought to bear unless the opposing ships could move out of line and would mean that the distance to target was always changing (which I assume would cause some problems if the gunners had not trained for that and the guns were in any case probably relatively short range?)
Presumably the majority of the sailors were the result of Press Gang activity although perhaps the results of the Gangs activities were more often suited to Army allocation, unless near the coast. Only a couple of hundred years ago but life was so different to the experiences of today. |
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I will leave the eye witness account to Andy RM. Note to Mods. Should this be transferred to the Sunny Uplands thread? |
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No worry at all Bob, as previously said I always admired Nelson very much. May be in todays's words we could say a fookin' smart ass! Few respect for the establishment but a courageous winner. Isn't this combined with Trafalgar "square" a little bit funny too? Cheers to Nelson! |
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Just been around a long time, but not as long as you, Bob. And nothing lasts forever.
Interestingly (or not), all the ships i have ever known in the RN had a design life of about 20-25 years. The two new RN aircraft carriers are expected to last 50. I will be 106 when they decommission, then. Hmmm, i will believe it when i see it. Lol |
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSiFhXtS2iw&feature=youtu.be Also featured were Peter Twiss (test pilot and former “owner” of the world air speed record) and Timo Zmakinen (rally driver). I didnt know that either had other high octane pursuits. |
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Zimo Zmakinen you mean? The Zakspeed driver owning a Z Datsun? Whoever, bother his name, very nice video.
Re Nelson, in french language the expression "un coup de Trafalgar" will last forever, meaning something coming from behind you can't fight against which puts you down. Vive le Rosbif! |
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If they prove to be as reliable as the Type 46 frigate/destroyers ( I think that is their designation) of which the RN has 6 that I believe are pretty well all in dock for TLC, then I very much doubt it! |
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