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View Poll Results: LMP1 privateers in 2017 and/or 2018???
Rebellion Racing 27 87.10%
ByKolles Racing Team 26 83.87%
Oak Racing 4 12.90%
SMP Racing 16 51.61%
Strakka Racing 15 48.39%
Greaves Motorsports 2 6.45%
Manor WEC 15 48.39%
Signatech Alpine 5 16.13%
Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus 7 22.58%
Team SARD 0 0%
Team Penske 0 0%
Courage 1 3.23%
Perrinn Ltd 1 3.23%
Project Brabham 2 6.45%
HPD-Wirth 2 6.45%
Adess AG 1 3.23%
Dome 2 6.45%
Welter Racing 1 3.23%
???OTHER??? 4 12.90%
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 18:44 (Ref:3702158)   #46
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I expect some permutation of DPi will be suggested for 2019 to replace LMP-P which will be a one-car class at that point.
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 19:19 (Ref:3702162)   #47
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I expect some permutation of DPi will be suggested for 2019 to replace LMP-P which will be a one-car class at that point.


Suggesting the P1-L plans from Ginetta (Manor, ARC, PRT), SMP/Dallara, ESM Nissan, will all come to nothing?


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Old 12 Jan 2017, 19:39 (Ref:3702164)   #48
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I am not counting on "plans" from anyone .... 95% there except for the money.

ESM-Nissan barely made the Roar, and badly underperformed. They at least have the cash, I guess .... so long as everyone keeps drinking.

SMP? They Had the money ... Russia is not a really stable environment for the wealthy, I guess ... depends on keeping tight with the right government officials.

At least Straka will be on the grid with Kolles ... oh,wait ....
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 19:52 (Ref:3702168)   #49
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I am not counting on "plans" from anyone .... 95% there except for the money.



ESM-Nissan barely made the Roar, and badly underperformed. They at least have the cash, I guess .... so long as everyone keeps drinking.



SMP? They Had the money ... Russia is not a really stable environment for the wealthy, I guess ... depends on keeping tight with the right government officials.



At least Straka will be on the grid with Kolles ... oh,wait ....


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Old 12 Jan 2017, 22:21 (Ref:3702213)   #50
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Haha, gotta laugh at the suggestion dpi will be the top class at LM any time soon. Maybe they'll be allowed as say a manufacturer supported customer car, but I don't see a p2 based car with some body kit being the replacement of hybrids.
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 22:28 (Ref:3702215)   #51
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Haha, gotta laugh at the suggestion dpi will be the top class at LM any time soon. Maybe they'll be allowed as say a manufacturer supported customer car, but I don't see a p2 based car with some body kit being the replacement of hybrids.
Not the top class ... the second class, replacing LMP-P.

No American manufacturer wants to spend the kind of money that certain European and Asian companies are willing to blow, on a race most Americans have never heard of. But ...

Some of those manufacturers wouldn't mind getting a little more press out of the race, particularly if someone else footed most of the bill.

If P1-P dwindles further than the one burning ByKolles entry ... there won't be a class. And I am pretty certain that the IMSA/NASCAR folks have been lobbying long and hard to get some spots on the Le Mans grid.

If more teams decide to burn a lot of cash to chase the P1-Hs, good for them. I don't see it being an easy sell to sponsors, or boards of directors. Rebellion are also tried-and-true racers, and the opted out. Too much cash for too little return, I'd guess.

If we don't see something besides artists' renderings by July ....
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Not the top class ... the second class, replacing LMP-P.

No American manufacturer wants to spend the kind of money that certain European and Asian companies are willing to blow, on a race most Americans have never heard of. But ...

Some of those manufacturers wouldn't mind getting a little more press out of the race, particularly if someone else footed most of the bill.

If P1-P dwindles further than the one burning ByKolles entry ... there won't be a class. And I am pretty certain that the IMSA/NASCAR folks have been lobbying long and hard to get some spots on the Le Mans grid.

If more teams decide to burn a lot of cash to chase the P1-Hs, good for them. I don't see it being an easy sell to sponsors, or boards of directors. Rebellion are also tried-and-true racers, and the opted out. Too much cash for too little return, I'd guess.

If we don't see something besides artists' renderings by July ....
My mistake! I thought you meant the hybrid cars. Private class is not going to officially exist next year since there's only ByKolles. But for 2018, well- that looks like a good time for the entry list to take off.
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 23:00 (Ref:3702222)   #53
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I expect some permutation of DPi will be suggested for 2019 to replace LMP-P which will be a one-car class at that point.
I predict the 2019 race will consist entirely of current spec P1 cars. About as logical or plausible. They aren't going to make P2 with a slower body kit its own class and it wouldn't have any more cars anyways.
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Old 13 Jan 2017, 07:44 (Ref:3702278)   #54
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DPi runs at LMP2 pace by definition. Why would it be a credible LMP1-P replacement?
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Old 13 Jan 2017, 08:53 (Ref:3702293)   #55
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DPi runs at LMP2 pace by definition. Why would it be a credible LMP1-P replacement?
Someone who understands that DPi is American LMP2, it is not LMP1.

That said, perhaps "IF" the ACO drops the compulsory Hybrid for OEM teams in the future, there can be a new LMP1, combining both OEM and Privateer under a Hybrid/fuel flow less set of rules.

That would make sense, that "could" give us bigger P1 grids. So that means the French will not do it.
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Old 13 Jan 2017, 12:27 (Ref:3702332)   #56
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DPi runs at LMP2 pace by definition. Why would it be a credible LMP1-P replacement?
I think IMSA would lobby for a weight break or a power boost ... knowing the GM cars could handle it (and that's where the big money comes from ... )

I know that the DPis were faster at the December tests than they were at the Roar ... so I know that the DPis Could reliably run as a "higher" class, particularly if ACO were to keep the Gibson engine at the power levels it had at the Roar ...

But as far as DPi being a "slower" P2 ... I have yet to see the evidence. Again, check the numbers from the December tests and the Roar.

If ti doesn't work out that way, oh well ... more incorrect Internet speculation. We have all survived plenty off that.

However, my understanding is that NASCAR/IMSA really wants to get DPis on the Le Mans grid, and since they wouldn't be allowed to run as P2s .....
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I'm all for them running p1-p! I said that a long time ago. I thought that imsa should align dpi with the class before the new rules were finalized. All they need to do is run as a non-factory team right now aside from the fact that the body kits look like a manufacturer. Maybe they will lift that rule but I doubt it.
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I don't see the ACO allowing DPi into P1-L, due to manufacturer involvement, and the political issue of the potential of an outside team with a different rule set beating one of their own cars to a class win. I think you're more likely to get a DPi class at Le Mans, like the old IMSA classes from history. That way the ACO won't be terrified of a DPi beating a P1-L to a class win.
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I don't see the ACO allowing DPi into P1-L .... I think you're more likely to get a DPi class at Le Mans, like the old IMSA classes from history. That way the ACO won't be terrified of a DPi beating a P1-L to a class win.
I'd expect them to go that router if they had more than one P1-P (I guess P1-L is the "official terminology.)

If they have ByKolles catching fire at various points around the track with no competition, I think they'd either drop the class or remake it into a DPi class.

I cannot see DPi and P1-L running together--too great a disparity in chassis types, and too much issue with funding sources (I'd assume GM would still want its name in there somewhere, else why even go to Le Mans?)

If P1-L cannot attract more than 2-3 cars, i'd expect maybe a DPi-Enhanced class or something like that--DPis with a weight break or a bigger fuel tank or without IMSA-imposed power limits?

I have no inside info, I have not even fully thought this through ... what I believe is that IMSA will not stop trying to get its cars into the Le Mans line-up, thus leveraging its power and money in North America into even more power and money in the international game.
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2018 is really the first opportunity, and by that point they will have more than one car.

I don't see the ACO swallowing their pride and having DPis in the P1-L class. And given the Caddy and Mazda involvement, I'm really not sure they should be anyway.

DPi is a brilliant class. For IMSA. I don't think it meshes well with how the ACO has setup their classes.
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