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4 Dec 2003, 15:54 (Ref:803852)
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Dyson MG question
Were teh mods to the MG Lola this year done by Lola exclusivly or did Dyson do a few things to the car themselves?
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4 Dec 2003, 16:02 (Ref:803859)
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I think you'd have a hard time separating them out. Lola and Dyson were extremely closely connected. Most of the work came out of Dyson's suggestions, I believe - but I also believe that the modifications became available to Intersport at the end of the season.
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4 Dec 2003, 20:04 (Ref:804038)
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Yeah, by the end of the year Intersport were running the same front fender as Dyson(or might be some differences...)..
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4 Dec 2003, 20:58 (Ref:804084)
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Yeah it was a Dyson/Lola teaming and I think the only reason the Intersport had it because their car was so mangled it probably got all new front end parts...
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4 Dec 2003, 21:39 (Ref:804121)
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Dyson was driving the developments, but Lola was enacting them per the homologation rules. As a privateer, you can't modify the car as it is originally homologated by the factory and must retain that form.
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4 Dec 2003, 22:08 (Ref:804144)
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To MulsanneMike:
Two Questions -- Pescarolo made some changes to their Courage cars this year and used someone other than Courage, didn't they???? Courage didn't make the same mods to their factory car.... Rafanelli and R&N also revised their R&S MkIIIA's.... Your site documents those changes well...and in the Rafanelli page, you talk about their engineers changing the shapes, wings, adding the long tail, the strakes on the diffusers. etc. I thought they had to be major structural changes that fell under that provision....where the original manufacturer has to be involved to make them... Please clarify this for us....I just wanted to be sure I understand how that has to work... |
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5 Dec 2003, 02:05 (Ref:804313)
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To my knowledge this is a relatively recent rule so the MkIIIAs don't fall under its jurisdiction. In fact you'll see mention of homologation within the 2004 rules just released (Art 3.1, Dimensions) though I'm stymied to find any mention prior to this though it has been in effect. Had an interesting discussion in the paddock at Road America with an engineer for a very well known competitor regarding the homologation rules. He filled me in on their difficulties in attempting to modify their car to make it safer (of all things!). IMSA frowned on the changes but in the end the manufacturer reluctantly ok'ed them and hence they were deemed legal. The team's take has been to continue to make small changes here and there (simply to improve the car's usability) and see if IMSA notices them...they haven't. So it would appear that even minor changes have to be approved by the manufacturer in order for them to be legal within the hmologation rules.
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5 Dec 2003, 05:43 (Ref:804395)
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Without the help of windtunnel, they had to imagine some solutions and do some tests on airport runway straight ilnes. Their first tries were failures (2002), but they succedeed to improve the package significantly it 2003 : Sebastien Bourdais, who didn't drive the car for June 2002, and went back for the 1000kms, found a lot of "changes in the car behavior, much more efficient and fast', except the lack of power due to the Peugeot engine  André de Cortanze has still projects in his pockets, and ideas to fit the car with the new 2004 specs. What does this mean ? They've to find an engine first, to start to work in another direction... Oops, I missed something before the engine : €€€ Yves Courage is in a completely different position : he's a manufacturer, a small private factory, he sells cars, Pescarolo beeing a customer. Courage has projects too fiting the new rules ; some are talking about roofed car... Last edited by Fab; 5 Dec 2003 at 05:46. |
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5 Dec 2003, 06:07 (Ref:804415)
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de Cortanze also designed the 905....another pretty radical prototype.....
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5 Dec 2003, 07:08 (Ref:804448)
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5 Dec 2003, 13:40 (Ref:804752)
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To MulsanneMike or Others:
Does that mean that this rule is not retroactive???? I sent an e-mail to your site asking about a specific chassis and revision made to it, and whether or not those same changes could be made now by having someone in the composites side of the industry make them for a client..... From what I read above and what I read in the new 2004 specs on this subject, these revisions, if made now, even though they had been made previously by someone else and accepted, would still have to be "approved" or "enacted" by the original manufacturer and they would have to file the "revised homologation" forms with the ACO and give a copy of them to the client.... Is that correct???? Or would a "copycat" revision on another chassis of the same make be able to compete since the revisions had been made previously by someone else???? Thgese would not be major changes that would alter the structural integrity of the chassis...they would be minor sculpting of certain areas of the car for better aero efficiency.... Please advise.... |
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8 Dec 2003, 01:12 (Ref:806330)
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Greatings all, first post, glad to find an intelligent sportscar racing discussion site.
Question: It was mentioned that de Cortanze designed the 905. I believe he did the first model, but someone else designed the Bis models. |
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8 Dec 2003, 12:54 (Ref:806600)
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Geoff Brabham said that the 905 Evo was a *real* sports car, with such a sucsess under his belt why hasn't he moved to f1? (Ferrari?)
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8 Dec 2003, 13:37 (Ref:806636)
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