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Old 24 Nov 2021, 11:10 (Ref:4085255)   #2491
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Murray was bound to make mistakes with his enthusiasm and the thing is they were always entertaining. And his Murrayisms were always memorable. And now excuse me while I interrupt myself. As the great man himself said ‘I don’t make mistakes, I make prophecies that immediately turn out to be wrong!’
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Old 24 Nov 2021, 13:47 (Ref:4085293)   #2492
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To be clear, my point was more that picking on Crofty for mistakes isn’t really getting at the problem. As demonstrated by peoples love for Murray.

Shame Murray ruined the end of the 1996 season by gushing over Damon. Did he not realise that other countries use his commentary?
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Old 25 Nov 2021, 02:36 (Ref:4085375)   #2493
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To be clear, my point was more that picking on Crofty for mistakes isn’t really getting at the problem. As demonstrated by peoples love for Murray.

Shame Murray ruined the end of the 1996 season by gushing over Damon. Did he not realise that other countries use his commentary?
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I'm happy to nitpick about the squeaky shrieker and his mistakes because so much of his "performance" feels contrived to me - whereas Muddly Talker was always absolutely natural and "real" - making any mistakes excusable in my book.

Don't know how to "fix" the shrieker in all honesty as he seems to be focussed on building his own "brand" and going hard at the catch phrases, shrieking and general carry-on. None of them are perfect though and all of them are commentating live so there will be stutters and mistakes I guess.

Oh and Murray's commentary when Damon won the title at Suzuka wasn't so much jingoistic to my mind as personal - there was a known fondness between Damon, his family and Murray and to this day in my view it remains one of THE most special examples of sports commentary I've ever experienced.
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Old 25 Nov 2021, 03:44 (Ref:4085381)   #2494
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I totally agree on the point about Murray and Damon. I suspect that would not be how it was viewed by many.
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Old 25 Nov 2021, 07:10 (Ref:4085393)   #2495
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Oh yes Damon and Murray had a great rapport. Who can forget that hilarious Pizza Hut advert?
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Oh and Murray's commentary when Damon won the title at Suzuka wasn't so much jingoistic to my mind as personal - there was a known fondness between Damon, his family and Murray and to this day in my view it remains one of THE most special examples of sports commentary I've ever experienced.

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I totally agree on the point about Murray and Damon. I suspect that would not be how it was viewed by many.

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Oh yes Damon and Murray had a great rapport. Who can forget that hilarious Pizza Hut advert?

Murray will always be the exception to the rules when being considered a commentator, mainly because he was a true fan and admirer of all forms of motor sport, whether it be on two wheels, three, four or more. He was almost fanatical about it, but he was also a very humble man who, during his career made countless friends in the world of our sport.

One of those close friendships was with Graham Hill, and Murray had spent many hours in the Hill household so had known Damon from a very early age. He therefore followed his racing exploits rather more than he would have other drivers.

Therefore, being the kind and gentle man that he was (I was more than honoured to have been introduced to him many decades ago by a former WDC) it came as no surprise to me when he almost broke down when Damon achieved his title because he had a great affection for him, having watched him grow up at a close distance.


And as has been mentioned, he was able to take the mickey out of himself because his passion for the sport was absolutely infectious and he never attempted to put himself on a pedestal.
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Old 25 Nov 2021, 13:54 (Ref:4085421)   #2497
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I totally agree on the point about Murray and Damon. I suspect that would not be how it was viewed by many.
Do you think so Adam? I know I'm a Brit and we were watching a Brit commentating on a Brit he'd known since he was knee-high winning the WDC, but would non-Brits find that offensive or overly jingoistic?
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Old 25 Nov 2021, 14:13 (Ref:4085424)   #2498
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No, perhaps not, because it was Murray. He gets a pass, whereas others wouldn’t.

If I have a point then it is that mistakes or that the coverage is too British isn’t where there problem lies. It is that Croft isn’t a brilliant commentator. Although not James Allen bad. And it is hard to describe why.

Personally I think he’s OK. Not great, not bad. What can he do to be better, I don’t know, but if he cut out all mistakes and failed to mention Hamilton once he’d still be at the same level. Possibly slightly worse!
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Personally I think he’s OK. Not great, not bad.
It's because he's from Stevenage. F1 and Stevenage seems to trigger many people here for some reason. It's the reverse of 'location checks out'
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BBC News website story about Sir Frank Williams passing.

“ In 1994, Williams, along with technical director Patrick Head and chief designer Adrian Newey, was charged with manslaughter in Italy following the death of driver Ayrton Senna in a crash at Imola but he was acquitted several years later.”

Is that really necessary ? What a nasty Snyde bunch the UK National broadcaster is
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It was a significant part of his life. and not even snide! The worst you can say is that it isn’t detailed enough to give the full picture, but I can see why you wouldn’t want to waste much space in that article. Some people might get all worked up about it if they did.

“He built the team named after him into one of the most successful in the sport.” the first line from the article.

Here’s the rest of the article with lots and lots of nice things about him.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/59453378

I believe this is an example where broadcasters just can’t win. Some people aren’t ever going to like what sky does some aren’t with the bbc.
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It was a significant part of his life. and not even snide! The worst you can say is that it isn’t detailed enough to give the full picture, but I can see why you wouldn’t want to waste much space in that article. Some people might get all worked up about it if they did.

“He built the team named after him into one of the most successful in the sport.” the first line from the article.

Here’s the rest of the article with lots and lots of nice things about him.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/59453378

I believe this is an example where broadcasters just can’t win. Some people aren’t ever going to like what sky does some aren’t with the bbc.
My point exactly. On such a dark day was it really necessary to dredge up the Senna episode - particularly when nothing came of it? Time and a place , time and a place.
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My point exactly. On such a dark day was it really necessary to dredge up the Senna episode - particularly when nothing came of it? Time and a place , time and a place.
It is a news article, and so IMO perfectly relevant to mention it (it's not like it's the only thing they mention from his life).

To be honest - taking the chance to have a dig at the BBC seems unnecessary at this time off the back of the situation.
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To be honest - taking the chance to have a dig at the BBC seems unnecessary at this time off the back of the situation.
I agree. There’s a time and place after all.
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